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    We are looking at CCURE for access control and badging, anyone know of a course (distance learning preferred) for it. I would like to learn more before negotiations commence.
    Maybe an administration manual on line?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Eric View Post
    We are looking at CCURE for access control and badging, anyone know of a course (distance learning preferred) for it. I would like to learn more before negotiations commence.
    Maybe an administration manual on line?
    CCURE is a great system. Since it is proprietory the training is through Sensormatic. The last training course I went through was a few years ago (7 to be exact). It was also the installer/programmer course. At that time it was $5K for the course. I would get ahold of a dealer in your area and schedule the training through them. If you go with that system they may give you a manual for you to pruse through. The system is not very complicated if you have access control experience. If you do not have access experience study the manual thoroughly and outline how you want the system setup according to your needs and by consulting the installer/programmer.

    Mike

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    • #3
      Very good system. I have used it as the base system in three different countries with no real issues.
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      • #4
        We use CCure at work. There are better systems out there. Our system dates back to 2001 and we have had problems.

        Problem # 1 -- Cards
        Cards get lost and then you need to deactivate them. They also get damaged, etc and stop working.

        Problem # 2 -- Magnetic locks
        Our magnets have failed several time. At one point, we got trapped inside the Security Office and had to force the door.

        Problem # 3 -- Service
        Sensormatic has had bad service on CCTV's and in general. It takes calls to the Sensormatic "higher-up's" to get us some service.

        Find something that doesnt use a dedicated computer. I was at a trade show last week and a company called S2 had something really neat that was internet based and not on any one dedicated computer.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
          We use CCure at work. There are better systems out there. Our system dates back to 2001 and we have had problems.

          Problem # 1 -- Cards
          Cards get lost and then you need to deactivate them. They also get damaged, etc and stop working..
          This will be true of any card system. But cards are the most common form of access control, and most practical for many systems. That's just the nature of the beast.

          Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
          Problem # 2 -- Magnetic locks
          Our magnets have failed several time. At one point, we got trapped inside the Security Office and had to force the door.
          If your locks are failing, you need to use better locks or better power supplies. Or your doors are slamming, causing the solder connections on the circuit board to fail. Fix the door closers. Basically, Maglocks last nearly forever, also, they are not indicative of the access control system type. But it may be of Sensormatic if they spec'd or sold and installed the locks and power supplies.

          Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
          At one point, we got trapped inside the Security Office and had to force the door.
          Your system does not meet life safety codes if you can be locked in. There should always be a local release that breaks lock power without the need of electronics, to prevent someone from being locked in.

          Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
          Find something that doesnt use a dedicated computer. I was at a trade show last week and a company called S2 had something really neat that was internet based and not on any one dedicated computer.
          I agree with not using a system that requires a computer to do daily function, it should also not require a network to function. Intelligent panels are my recommendation, which is used by probably 90% of the systems. The decision making is done in the panel, which is connected to the readers, and which has a buffer to store history. The only time it is "necessary" to connect with the PC / software program, is to make changes and collect the history.

          Personally, I'm not a fan of Sensormatic.
          Last edited by integrator97; 10-20-2007, 02:53 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
            We use CCure at work. There are better systems out there. Our system dates back to 2001 and we have had problems.

            Problem # 1 -- Cards
            Cards get lost and then you need to deactivate them. They also get damaged, etc and stop working.

            Problem # 2 -- Magnetic locks
            Our magnets have failed several time. At one point, we got trapped inside the Security Office and had to force the door.

            Problem # 3 -- Service
            Sensormatic has had bad service on CCTV's and in general. It takes calls to the Sensormatic "higher-up's" to get us some service.

            Find something that doesnt use a dedicated computer. I was at a trade show last week and a company called S2 had something really neat that was internet based and not on any one dedicated computer.
            Fire hit it right on the head with the SERVICE part. i used C*cure for about a year at a corporate site, its basic but im now using Pro-Watch. its a bit mor advanced but far more options. good luck.
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            • #7
              Ccure

              I've used it and like it. Newer versions may be easier to employ an audible alarm when a door is forced or left ajar. That helps if the guard is distracted and forgets to look at the monitor.
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              • #8
                CCure 800 is a great platform- I specify it frequently. The GUI is getting a little dated but that is my only major complaint.

                CCure 900/9000 has been released but it is not loaded with features yet (nor do I think it is 100% ready for prime time).

                BTW Unit 6, I think CCure is superior to Pro Watch (and yes I am a factory certified technician for both!)

                S2 is a good package and will get better as they load it with more features and integration paths to CCTV systems. S2 was started by John Moss, former ower of Software House (CCure).

                John
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                • #9
                  I know a couple of casinos are using it integrated with the matrix system. Talking to the admin's from the casino - they love it.
                  Ccure is not very different from any other access control system - the database can hold more transactions (users and incidents) and the GUI (graphical user interface) is user friendly, ease to navigate.
                  As far as training - every "name" company will charge you for the training, unless you have a "status" with them.......selling $1M or more / year.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View Post
                    We use CCure at work. There are better systems out there. Our system dates back to 2001 and we have had problems.

                    Problem # 1 -- Cards
                    Cards get lost and then you need to deactivate them. They also get damaged, etc and stop working.

                    Problem # 2 -- Magnetic locks
                    Our magnets have failed several time. At one point, we got trapped inside the Security Office and had to force the door.

                    Problem # 3 -- Service
                    Sensormatic has had bad service on CCTV's and in general. It takes calls to the Sensormatic "higher-up's" to get us some service.

                    Find something that doesnt use a dedicated computer. I was at a trade show last week and a company called S2 had something really neat that was internet based and not on any one dedicated computer.

                    As stated before #1 and #2 have nothing to do with CCURE. Concerning # 3 wouldnt you go to your Access/CCTV Contractor before going to sensormatic?

                    CCURE is a great program, I have used DSX and GE system and CCURE is much better. Very user friendly and easy for Security Staff to Learn. IN addition it has alot of features you can purchase that are great.

                    I do not like having to pay $3,000 + per year for a service and sales aggreement. In addition you need to check what companies in your area are authorized Software House Dealers, only a select few are chose to be part of the "inner circle" of CCURE dealers.

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                    • #11
                      The hospital I was working at utilized the CCure system and IIRC it was Siemens who handled it (they also did our video surveillance system). You may want to check with them.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eric View Post
                        We are looking at CCURE for access control and badging, anyone know of a course (distance learning preferred) for it. I would like to learn more before negotiations commence.
                        Maybe an administration manual on line?
                        Eric,

                        Try these:

                        Training courses:

                        http://www.solutionwhere.com/TSPtrai...sesbymonth.asp
                        http://www.swhouse.com/support/ccure_user_groups.aspx
                        http://www.tycoacvs.com/CCUG/CCUGenquiry.asp
                        http://www.surv.com/support/training...selection.html
                        http://www.tycosafetyproducts-europe...ngsecurity.asp
                        Professionalism through Training

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by watchinfosecurity View Post
                          As stated before #1 and #2 have nothing to do with CCURE. Concerning # 3 wouldnt you go to your Access/CCTV Contractor before going to sensormatic?

                          CCURE is a great program, I have used DSX and GE system and CCURE is much better. Very user friendly and easy for Security Staff to Learn. IN addition it has alot of features you can purchase that are great.

                          I do not like having to pay $3,000 + per year for a service and sales aggreement. In addition you need to check what companies in your area are authorized Software House Dealers, only a select few are chose to be part of the "inner circle" of CCURE dealers.
                          In many places these days, Sensormatic is the contractor/installer. They were (and their parent company Tyco still is) making a habit out of buying up the little guys and converting them over to their namebrand.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by darkenna View Post
                            In many places these days, Sensormatic is the contractor/installer. They were (and their parent company Tyco still is) making a habit out of buying up the little guys and converting them over to their namebrand.
                            TYCO stands for Take Your Company Over.

                            I'll be nice and not say what ADT stands for.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by integrator97 View Post
                              TYCO stands for Take Your Company Over.

                              I'll be nice and not say what ADT stands for.
                              Ok, that now makes 4 shorted out monitors in two weeks. I'm investing in a "spray shield".
                              "I don't do judgment. Just retrieval."

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