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  • john_harrington
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    I will say that the system itself is solid. The real issue you have is that it is not covering areas that you want it to. Doors that should have been wired during construction were not and now the cost is much greater.

    Unfortunately, as you are aware most mall operators do not see security systems as anything but a cost center. Unlike their tenants who they can show ROI through decresed shrinkage, the mall owners do not.

    In my opinion there are no decent wireless options (for transmission to CCure) but the industry is ever changing.

    You are likely fighting an awful steep uphill battle to get funding. I wish you luck.

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    Ok I did some checking. The box where all the wiring is stored is Sensormatics. The CCure system is handled by Ingersoll Rand (Security Technologies division). The magnet on our securrity office door recently malfunctioned and I talked to the tech. He said their company offered our mall a better system with perimeter doors included at a lower price when the mall was being constructed (completed in 2001) and the company that owns the mall declined. That sucks. He said to do all the stuff I want to do would cost around $100,000. O well, another idea flushed.

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  • power2pc
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    at my old site in the control room we had some security siftware that allowed you to unlock/lock doors that had card access

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  • john_harrington
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    Fire's assessment of the retail environment is right on. Malls by their very nature want to welcome, through unlocked doors, the masses.

    It would be nice to expand the CCure system to include monitoring of the doors which concern you. The issue you face is that while the door contact will cost $20 or so, the labor to cable, program and test will be substantially more- from your previous posts it is clear your management does not intend to improve things much.

    Good luck and continue those visual inspections!

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    Originally posted by UtahProtectionForce
    why not i worked in a 44 story building that had over 6000 cards issued to it. its not that hard.... but can be costly... software/hardward/ and cards :P
    Because these are stores. Their employees come and go all the time. Issuing cards to just the essential employees of Security, Management, Operations, Housekeeping means the cards are easy to track and get back upon resignation. The same reason why we cant issue parking passes. Its way too costly and we cant track it.

    The reason why I feel we need a system like this is so we can track who is going in and out and when. This will reduce our false alarms. Right now the problem is after hours tenants unsecuring doors as they exit. Then we come along when its time to open and find the door previously unsecured that had once been secured. I read the riot act to a Hollister employee once for unsecuring a door.
    Last edited by FireEMSPolice; 04-05-2007, 11:21 AM.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    As in all things we do in security consider the end result. Will the program selected for access control "play well" with other installed programs? One vendor may very well be correct when he describes his product as the best ever developed, but must work in a stand-alone environment. We must ensure whatever we purchase will increase our efficiency in operations and contribute to a well run security program that benefits those our mission is to protect along with the assets upon which the enterprise and livelyhood depends.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill
    Last edited by Bill Warnock; 04-04-2007, 12:36 PM. Reason: Missing word

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  • UtahProtectionForce
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    Originally posted by FireEMSPolice
    I checked something out at work and we do have a CCURE system. However, it only records when someone swipes their access cards. There are only 3 such points (Management Office, Housekeeping/Maintenance Office, Security Office) that require swipe card access, but everyones access card has different privileges (some cant open the Management Office). It's just not getting the most out of the program I feel. I dont know if Sensormatic controls this or not because a local company comes to service it. I just thought for a second that Sensormatic did because their logo is on the computer that the "log" is kept on. I will check with the local company.

    We cant issue cards to all 3000 some employees at the mall. We can control their entry/exit into the corridors and mall proper. Their own stores are also out. Once a suite is rented, they are mandated to change locks. This way, only the store employees have access to their business.

    why not i worked in a 44 story building that had over 6000 cards issued to it. its not that hard.... but can be costly... software/hardward/ and cards :P

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    I checked something out at work and we do have a CCURE system. However, it only records when someone swipes their access cards. There are only 3 such points (Management Office, Housekeeping/Maintenance Office, Security Office) that require swipe card access, but everyones access card has different privileges (some cant open the Management Office). It's just not getting the most out of the program I feel. I dont know if Sensormatic controls this or not because a local company comes to service it. I just thought for a second that Sensormatic did because their logo is on the computer that the "log" is kept on. I will check with the local company.

    We cant issue cards to all 3000 some employees at the mall. We can control their entry/exit into the corridors and mall proper. Their own stores are also out. Once a suite is rented, they are mandated to change locks. This way, only the store employees have access to their business.
    Last edited by FireEMSPolice; 04-04-2007, 11:46 AM.

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  • john_harrington
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    As Bill W stated above, virtually any access control software can perform the functions you desire. Each door can have a pushbutton (input) associated with it to unlock the doors.

    Yoiu mentioned intercoms in an earlier post as well. Please note that many intercoms systems (Aiphone come to mind quickly) will allow two way communication at a door with teh operator being able to selectively release or unlock the door.

    It seem, however, that you really need to know which doors are being held open by tenants so an decent access control system will be more beneficial for your application (alarm notification and door lock and unlock)

    Good luck!

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  • UtahProtectionForce
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    Originally posted by FireEMSPolice
    I checked out the INET4 website and I cant find anything about the stuff you mention.
    i think they custom build building management systems... i know it was called INET4... as thats what we were trained in...
    some systems that are used here in utah is AMAG

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  • HospitalOfc.
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    Each control panel for an individual door can hold in its memory records approximately 150,000 users who have authorization to access that door (by use of an access card) and at what hours they are allowed to enter the area, doors can also be pre-programmed to lock/unlock at specified times, or may be remotely unlocked from a central monitoring station.

    The system is also be programmed to alarm if a door is propped open for a specified period of time or is forced open without the use of an access card, if you don’t not have a central monitoring station that is manned 24/7 these alarms can also be set up to notify your officers via page or e-mail.

    If you are using compatible DVRs for your CCTV applications it can also be programmed to display live video of an area on any preset conditions that you program it to recognize, such as a door being forced or propped open.


    I don’t know if this type of system would be the answer that you are looking for, but it does work very well for us. CCURE is the only access control system that I have a strong working knowledge of, but there are other companies whose products do pretty much the same thing, here are links to some of them. If you need any more info PM me and I’ll see if I can get something together that I can send you.

    http://www.hidcorp.com/index.php

    http://www.boschsecurity.us/index.aspx?familyid=505

    http://www.hirschelectronics.com/Pro..._Integrity.asp

    http://www.gesecurity.com/portal/sit...n=false&t=prod

    http://www.jci.com/security/products.html

    http://www.protectionone.com/securit...-control.shtml

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    Originally posted by UtahProtectionForce
    INET4 is a system used in a certian building in downtown SF, it controls lights on and off... it controls.. ac temps... its controls... the alarms.. all with a click of mouse... :P it is known as a "smart" building because everything can be ran from the consol with the exception of FCC room...
    I checked out the INET4 website and I cant find anything about the stuff you mention.

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    Originally posted by HospitalOfc.
    We use the CCURE system. It has a fairly idiot proof interface and can be integrated with fire, CCTV, and other building control systems relatively easily.

    Here is the address for the company that makes it: http://www.swhouse.com/home/default.aspx
    Neat! Can it lock/unlock doors?

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  • HospitalOfc.
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    We use the CCURE system. It has a fairly idiot proof interface and can be integrated with fire, CCTV, and other building control systems relatively easily.

    Here is the address for the company that makes it: http://www.swhouse.com/home/default.aspx

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  • UtahProtectionForce
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    INET4 is a system used in a certian building in downtown SF, it controls lights on and off... it controls.. ac temps... its controls... the alarms.. all with a click of mouse... :P it is known as a "smart" building because everything can be ran from the consol with the exception of FCC room...

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