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  • #16
    What is anyone using for smaller, low end dvr's? Not bottom of the barrel stuff, but for smaller systems with people who don't have the need or resources of casinos, banks and corp. offices.
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    • #17
      The most user friendly, high quality, low cost DVR (and that's what you're looking for, isn't it?) is probably the Dedicated Micros . The pictures look really good, it stores video for a long time, the price is right, and you don't need a degree in rocket science to run the thing.

      If you need any further info, PM me.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by integrator97 View Post
        What is anyone using for smaller, low end dvr's? Not bottom of the barrel stuff, but for smaller systems with people who don't have the need or resources of casinos, banks and corp. offices.
        I can tell you that all the major manufacturers in the recent months and going forward, introduced and will introduce lower cost DVR...

        Each and everyone of them have something at what they call it "cost effective price price DVR"... Mostly either it is a newer platform DVR or stripped down version of their more expensive models...

        Dedicated Micros is not cheap nor can compete at this new range of products recognized and pursued by all the major manufacturers...

        I.E... American Dynamics came up their EDVR series that starts around $900.00 and covers 4-8-16 ports platforms.... CBC is yet another one that found a niche market and came up with their DR.. series. The same applies to Panasonic, Bosch, Mitsubishi and few others... The only player that I know, namely GE Security, who refuses to drop pricing... I am sure at one point of time they will reconsider, as their overall sales are not what you call "good"..

        One very interesting topic that was debated over six months ago by these manufacturers was the the warranty... Should they keep 3 years warranty or should they reduce to what other off shore companies do... offer only 1 year warranty... Working with these manufacturers daily basis gave us a rare opportunity to participate with all the reasoning and justifications why they should stay with their standard 3 years warranty...

        Of course, that will not be easy for these manufacturers.. but will be great opportunity for the entire industry.. Finally we can get much better equipment with better pricing, better warranty and companies that will stay behind their products...
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        • #19
          Dedicated Micros' DVRs are not cheap, true. They do make the cheapest good DVR I know of. I can also tell you they stand behind their products, as does GVI.

          Everfocus makes dirt cheap DVRs, but they do not stand behind their products in my experience, which lost me a big customer.

          The entire industry is focusing on the top end of the customer base. Panasonic, Axis, Pelco- everyone wants to sell to the military, casinos, prisons, airports, and stadiums. No one seems to realize that if you sell one 64camera system to an airport but you ignore 1000 delis that need 4 cameras and a small DVR each, you lost money. You could have made a lot more money ignoring the airport and selling to the deli. And then when the deli has a robbery and the police get no usable evidence out of the $400 CCTV system the deli owner bought online because the system was a piece of junk, the entire industry suffers because people learn that CCTV systems are a waste of money.

          If you really want to go low cost/ acceptable quality, check out Speco.
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          • #20
            Have you used and had good luck with the speco? I just tried their online demo the other day. I felt it wasn't very intuitive, which I think is important in a lower cost dvr. You don't want to spend a ton of time going over operation repeatedly at this price point.

            I don't do the dirt cheap jobs, not my market. But I haven't been thrilled with the features of the lower ends I've used. But nothng in the past 8 months to a year in that range, so I need an update.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by MetzLyov View Post
              Do you fully utilize all Ultra series features if I may ask? I.E. 480 IPS, DVD burner, RAID, etc... Was it its functionality or was it its specs that got your attention?

              We mostly work with DVMS series.. and lately seen a lot of Ultra appearing in many Casinos...

              Very simple yet the priciest version of Intellex wagen... Unless if the Ultra is already specified in a project, majority of our customer use their DVMS series... and works very well..
              It was mainly the improvements over the DVMS (though that is still a fine DVR) including:
              1. The 4 CIF rate
              2. The OS has moved to a flash from a hard drive
              3. Front mounted, swappable drives (one of our projects has 280 3.2 and 4.0 DVMS boxes and it is time consuming to unrack the entire DVR to change a drive)
              4. The overall improvements to the airflow through the Ultra improving reliability.
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              • #22
                I agree that Speco's biggest problem is their nonintuitive design, which was designed by dyslexic monkeys on crack.

                Funny story: I got a phone call about a year ago from a customer who had had a robbery. The police were on site, and the customer wanted to review the video. I tried my best to walk him through the procedure over the phone, but he just wasn't getting it.

                "Can you come over?" he ask.

                "No... the earliest I can make it is in a week from now".

                Needless to say, this did not make him happy. He yelled a little bit, and then offered to double my call-out fee.

                "No, I really can't..." I said.

                "Triple your fee!"

                "No..."

                "Why the hell not?!?"

                "Because I'm getting married in... two hours and ten minutes."

                Pause.

                "Umm... congratulations, then. I'll see you in a week".
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CameraMan View Post
                  I agree that Speco's biggest problem is their nonintuitive design, which was designed by dyslexic monkeys on crack.
                  Ha-ha-ha-ha, hee-heee-heee, ho. That's a good one.

                  And your story was good too.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by john_harrington View Post
                    It was mainly the improvements over the DVMS (though that is still a fine DVR) including:
                    1. The 4 CIF rate
                    2. The OS has moved to a flash from a hard drive
                    3. Front mounted, swappable drives (one of our projects has 280 3.2 and 4.0 DVMS boxes and it is time consuming to unrack the entire DVR to change a drive)
                    4. The overall improvements to the airflow through the Ultra improving reliability.
                    Yup... it is a good stuff.. expensive, but delivers the goods everyday.

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                    • #25
                      I looked at the Speco the other day at a mini-show. Very impressed. Then I downloaded the install manual. If you change the recording format, which to them is changing the quality (720x480, 720x240, 320x240), you must reformat the hard drive and lose all video and data. I called tech support to verify, they said yes, and that most have to do that because it has to re-index.

                      I've used Vicon (VDR, KPX, & KPro), Dedicated Micros, Everfocus, Pelco (older), Honeywell & Ademco, and Kalatel Storsafe (pre GE) and I don't remember ever seeing this. Anybody else?

                      Also, you can't have it just email video loss. It would have to email all alarms, including motion activation.

                      BTW I was looking at the pc based software. The embedded uses much easier software. Actually that and the archiving & exporting really seemed good. But I don't think I can accept that 1st item.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by integrator97 View Post
                        I looked at the Speco the other day at a mini-show. Very impressed. Then I downloaded the install manual. If you change the recording format, which to them is changing the quality (720x480, 720x240, 320x240), you must reformat the hard drive and lose all video and data. I called tech support to verify, they said yes, and that most have to do that because it has to re-index.

                        I've used Vicon (VDR, KPX, & KPro), Dedicated Micros, Everfocus, Pelco (older), Honeywell & Ademco, and Kalatel Storsafe (pre GE) and I don't remember ever seeing this. Anybody else?

                        Also, you can't have it just email video loss. It would have to email all alarms, including motion activation.

                        BTW I was looking at the pc based software. The embedded uses much easier software. Actually that and the archiving & exporting really seemed good. But I don't think I can accept that 1st item.
                        Dyslexic monkeys on crack, I tells ya.

                        Meh. You get what you pay for.
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                        • #27
                          CAMACC - www.camacc.com is one of my

                          there DVR is system is called VIGIL
                          a few capabilities :

                          -HD camera support
                          -32 channel live layout on one screen
                          -very customizable search features
                          -able to imitate matrix switchers

                          are just a few.

                          they have alot of supporting products as well, such as monitoring multiple dvr sites, touch screen/ maps, user managment systems, interview recording systems.

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                          • #28
                            I used honeywell and Pelco, and i like honeywell far better.
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                            • #29
                              Everfocus's new EDVR line looks pretty impressive for the money. I've been recomending them lately.
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                              "Expert" is something like "leader". It's not a title that you can ever claim for yourself no matter what you might know or might have done. It's a title that others bestow on you based on their assessment of what you know and what you have done.

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