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  • SIW Editor
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    OK, folks. NA and Curtis aren't out here to be "police" of everything/everyone. They hang out here (for free, I might add) and keep the spammers and wack-jobs from hitting up our forums. I think they're doing a great job and seeing IPs is part of forum management. Daily, I use IP addys to keep spammers from hammering our forums. I block IPs based on known spammer havens. Curtis checked an IP addy because he suspected that the person wasn't actually involved in security (turns out he was right), however he realized the person was peripherally related to security in that verification process and he subsequently took the time to respond to them thoughtfully on this security topic.

    I'm closing this thread, because I think it's a bit overblown -- these guys (the mods) are your best friends because they're working to keep this forum professional for all of us. Mods (like police, like s/o's, like anyone) aren't above the law and if you think there is a legitimate grievance, feel free to post it up or PM me and I will take a personal interest. For this instance, though, I think the right thing was done.

    Enjoy the forums,
    Geoff

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  • Guest
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    Hs

    I don't agree with your #1. I am paid to stay on top of what is happening in my industry.
    You don't have to agree. Fact is, when an S/O is at work, he or she is getting paid to do their job, not play around on forums, message boards, blogs, etc. For example, if I am posted at a static post that requires me to patrol the site, I should not be playing on computers. I should be patrolling. Likewise for a CCTV observation post. You should be watching the monitors, not playing on the internet.

    I cannot think of one situation in which an S/O could justify playing around on forums and such while on post. I am also paid to stay 'ahead of the game,' but I do it on my time, from my computer, and not on my company/client clock. In my mind, to do so is stealing from the client/company. They are paying for the S/O to work, not surf the 'net, regardless of how relevant to one's job it may be.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by dougo83 View Post
    These might help calm anyone's fears.

    1. Stop posting from company computers. You're getting paid to work, not play on the 'net anyway.

    2. Don't post anything you don't want coming back on you. Remember "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" Worked great in grade school, applies just as much now.

    3. Take off your tinfoil hats and stop worrying. It would take more than the word of one forum admin to get you in hot water anyway. However, if one mod can get you fired, you needed to find a new job anyway.
    I don't agree with your #1. I am paid to stay on top of what is happening in my industry.

    I do agree with your #3. After 26 years at the same place I am protected by Quebec law. I have to commit a very serious offense to be fired.

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  • Guest
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    A Few Quick Tips...

    These might help calm anyone's fears.

    1. Stop posting from company computers. You're getting paid to work, not play on the 'net anyway.

    2. Don't post anything you don't want coming back on you. Remember "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" Worked great in grade school, applies just as much now.

    3. Take off your tinfoil hats and stop worrying. It would take more than the word of one forum admin to get you in hot water anyway. However, if one mod can get you fired, you needed to find a new job anyway.

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  • NRM_Oz
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    We take them out the back and shoot them ................ no wait, N. A. would shoot back and I think Curtis could be deadly with and M-16 in his hands too. Perhaps we just have a senate committee instead.

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  • LPCap
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    I broke it down into two parts, the lookup and the investigation.

    It was simply a concern of mine because many people in the Security/LP community think they are the world police and whenever someone says anything negative (about employers or other posters) they feel as if it is their duty to find out exactly where the person works/lives and "report" it. Just because you can see something doesn't mean you should "look into" and post that you "looked into" something.

    My main concern is, what precautions or safeguards are in place for the posters if/when a moderator abuses their "power"?

    PS: go to google and type in "define:investigation".
    Last edited by LPCap; 02-25-2008, 10:02 PM.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Just to note:

    vBulletin shows us the IP address that every post originates from. Right now, my IP address is shown to every moderator/administrator, at the time I generate the post.

    If my IP changes, and it will, then subsequent posts will show the IP address at the time.

    And by "shows us," I mean that its literally right there in every post. There's no real "investigation" involved, because the information is in our face at all times while viewing the site.

    This is a feature of vBulletin, the forum software.

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  • LPAjh9558
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    I've been reading over both the thread in question, as well as this one also. And to some extent I can see the points of both sides concerned. That being said, I've been a member with "other" forums where spam somehow seems to find its way in no matter what the mods did to work around it.

    I really enjoy being a member of this forum and being a part of the sometimes rather "unique" discussions Personally, I think that the mods deserve more credit than they're sometimes given for all the hard work that they do to keep places such as this free of the (@#*&$%), well you know, stuff that other parties try to spread around.....I try not to put too much into IP addresses as I know that that's going to happen.

    Keep up the good work everyone...

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  • NRM_Oz
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    I would be thanking our mods for their assistance as most forums have been attacked by spammers, bots, trojan heads and just plain bloody idiots. You do need to protect your employment and may say "I work at a hospital in Texas" - ummmmm Texas has more than 1 hospital. But at the same time, cookies and other things are recording your information on where you go and view during your internet usage so you have things tossed at you in pop-ups.

    When I was working for a government agency, the amount of **** traffic sent from senior management to 1st line staff around the place including women, was incredible. Personally this should just be a sackable offence (no appeals, no 2nd chances) as these are supposed to be the key masters and set the examples so using anything in work time is not a right but a luxury and I would not be displaying everything I have for others to read at work.

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  • EMTGuard
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    I respect the concerns of those who posted regarding the desire for privacy. Many people here don't want just anyone knowing where they work or live.
    Personally I don't share those concerns. While I appreciate discretion and try not to come here and outright bash my empolyeer or coworkers I also don't attempt to be anonymous. In fact, I have posted my website URL and have shared my resume with several members here to polish it for upcoming job searches. One poster even remarked, "You're certainly not in the witness proection program". True.
    I treat the internet sort of the way I treat my radio hobby, as Ham radio as opposed to CB. That is to say, with CB radio you can be anyone or nobody. You can create a "handle" and speak for years with no indication of where you live or who you really are. With Ham radio you take an exam, are licensed by the government and are issued a Call Sign. You use your call during every conversation on the ham radio bands. Anyone hearing you can access various databases and obtain your full name, mailing address and other information which you had to provide when applying for your license.
    I assume that every site I visit is moderated by someone who can view my IP address. I assume that, as much as we may desire to hide our personal information, there will always be a way to learn these things.

    Steve

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Here's the chain of events of what actually happened:

    I happened to be on the site when Pheonix posted. It did not sound to me like Phoenix was part of the security community. (supposedly a requirement for participation on this site). I clicked on the ISP address to see what showed.

    In fact, her college ISP address showed and I immediately recognized the university. I then went to the university web site to see if Pheonix's concerns were real or perceived. Turns out she may have some cause for concern and responded to her - and made the statement that I would not reveal the university or location. For me to do so would of been unethical.

    I, at times, click on ISPs as I'm interested in what part of the world people are from. It's as simple as that.

    That's it - no conspiracy, not even a little one and viewing an ISP is not an investigation, as one member has suggested.

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  • JB diligence
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    I had to read over the thread so it took some time. But it sounds like the OP was seriously concerned for their and there faculty & students safety, Bravo to her for that she stood up and made some good points.

    But back to this thread, I don't think the moderator, with all due respect, should have mentioned what he did in regards to looking her up. Sometimes things are better off left unsaid.

    Phoenix was someone who came here for assitance, which we should be willing to give if that makes people safer, yet we have had some on here with other motives weather it be to start Sh*t and play us up which recently turned into great fun with one in particular I.E. "N (rhymes with T-wheazy)"... Or others just sniffing for info.
    Last edited by JB diligence; 02-24-2008, 10:55 PM.

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  • LPCap
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    Originally posted by JB diligence View Post
    I think it is in our and our clients best interests not to post exactly where we live or who we work for in some cases. It is a matter of what the poster is comfortable with.
    Exactly, so why should someone else be allowed to research and potentially reveal our identity when we want to remain anonymous? The OP did nothing to warrant an investigation.

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  • JB diligence
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    Originally posted by LPCap View Post
    Why did that posters IP address need to be looked up? Give me one legitimate reason as to why research into that poster was called for.

    If there is a legitimate reason to look up an IP addey by all means do it, but arbitrarily looking up an IP and broadcasting that the person is at a university is uncalled for. What is to stop someone from contacting that university (where the IP will be tracked back to the workstation that person uses) and directing them to the post where the campus security is criticized?

    To the posters who have nothing to hide, post your real name, where you work and what city/town you live in.
    I think it is in our and our clients best interests not to post exactly where we live or who we work for in some cases. It is a matter of what the poster is comfortable with.

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  • LPCap
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    Why did that posters IP address need to be looked up? Give me one legitimate reason as to why research into that poster was called for.

    If there is a legitimate reason to look up an IP addey by all means do it, but arbitrarily looking up an IP and broadcasting that the person is at a university is uncalled for. What is to stop someone from contacting that university (where the IP will be tracked back to the workstation that person uses) and directing them to the post where the campus security is criticized?

    To the posters who have nothing to hide, post your real name, where you work and what city/town you live in.

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