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  • bpdblue
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    Maybe I was miss understood?

    SecTrainer, when I mentioned the .22 as a good training round, I was talking about an introduction round into (target) shooting for a 10 year old.

    As for a carry round for me, I usually carry either .38+p (in my 2 1/2" S&W mod 66), .357, or .45 acp rounds (in weapons suited to those rounds) when I am not working.

    The rounds I used in police work started with a .357 (in my police reserve days, and the beginning regular police career), which at the time I was able to carry my 6" S&W mod 28, then we went to H&K p7's (with my choosing the m13, one of which I bought), and then we went to the H&K usp .40, which I carried on duty until my retirement.

    So I understand the difference of the use of the rimfire round vs. a man stopper round quite well.

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    Geez...

    Sec...by 'manly' they mean intimidating or, as stated, big and bad. For example, Shaft or Harry Callahan or John Wayne woul dnot be caught dead carrying a .22 or some other seemingly anemic caliber. .44 MAgs, .454 Cassull, etc. These are considered manly guns. I too appreciate the smaller guns. When I do bodyguard work, where concealed is allowed, my partner carries his duty pistol in a shoulder rig and a .25 raven in his jacket pocket...

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  • Bill Warnock
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    SecTrainer that was a marvelous post. Two would-be thugs were shot and killed by Deputy US Marshals when they tried to hold up the deputies. No talk, just action as you recommended. They reached for their wallets and came out with S&W 66s. Two shots each and two "things" dispatched.
    Yours words were wise counsel we should all strive to emulate.
    We should all have a plan just as two Deputies did when two thugs tried to take a drug king-pin from them after a hospital run in Roanoke a few years back. The female Deputy distracted the thugs by screaming at the top of her lungs. They looked at her and her male partner drew his 66 and killed them both instantly.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by bpdblue View Post
    A couple of notes;

    1) first to CHUCKY, thank you for noticing my 100th post, I thought it was way cool when I hit that mark.

    2) SecTrainer, if you were in jest, or not, I will say that while not the manliest caliber, the venerable .22 long rifle cartridge is my all time favorite bullet. It was a rifle of that caliber that was my first gun. It is a small, but potent round, that indeed has killed many animals, including the two legged kind.

    But I think of it as a great training round, a mild report when fired, barely any felt recoil, and yet produces true results. I think it is the ultimate caliber to start someone shooting with, as I will do with my son.

    So, as the ultimate fun, training, small game hunting round, I nominate the .22 long rifle cartridge as the best out there.
    Half in jest. Agree with .22 LR as ideal training round, but perhaps not the way you mean it. I mean it's ideal as a training round IF you're going to carry smaller calibers and IF you are trained by someone skilled in teaching you how to use them to reliably kill a human adversary. People who are properly trained in this skill will feel quite comfortable carrying nothing bigger than a .25 or .32 for CCW under almost any circumstances. I'd have no qualms riding a NY subway anywhere in that city with mine. If I pull my weapon to shoot someone, I will do so in order to kill them and you don't need a big bullet to do that if you put bullets where they should go. Threaten me "up close and personal" (7 yards in), and I'm going to ventilate your neck and/or your head for you immediately. Anyone who can't do that rapidly and reliably at close range, and has not been rigorously trained in making the instant decision to do so (which is more important than anything else) has no business carrying a weapon of any caliber.

    I have no intention of "knocking people down" with a bullet in what I call "CCW situations". The key here is that there's a huge difference between thinking of firearms as "kinetic energy dispensers" and thinking of them as devices that are designed to put bullets where you intend for them to go. That is how I was taught to think about guns when I was trained by a former intelligence operative. So, I don't give a rat's tukus about kinetic energy. If I have to pick a buddy in a fight, I'll pick the one who can put the pills where they should go, not the one with the biggest <whatever>.

    However, if you are going to carry larger calibers, then the smaller caliber is NOT ideal as a "cheap" training round, in my opinion, because you will learn a lot of wrong things from shooting them, the techniques are quite different from those used with larger calibers and you'll still need to put a lot of your "carry" rounds through the tube anyway if you hope to be any good with the gun.

    My advice is to train with what you carry, even if it costs more and kicks harder. And, whatever you carry, constantly practice the mental willingness to use it. This takes reflex conditioning, vivid mental imagery and, ideally, lots and lots of simulated situations in training. Practice thinking: "If this guy coming toward me pulled a gun I would...<WHAT?>", "What if the guy selling popcorn in the theater suddenly went berzerk...." or "If the guy in the car next to me started shooting...", etc.

    Incidentally, one of the nice things about my li'l Bobcat and my Tomcat (sweet babies) is that you can't even see them in my hand until it's too late (or if you do see something you might think it's my wallet that I'm handing you, but never a gun). This is very nice because I never did plan to show you my gun like some little kid showing his willy to the girl next door. Nor did I plan to scare you with it, or use it to enforce verbal "orders" like "YOU'D BETTER GET OUTA HERE!", or "DROP YOUR GUN!", "FREEZE!" and all that crap. And, I won't get into a "Mexican standoff" with you either. I'm not Mexican.

    What I plan to do with the gun I carry concealed, if I pull it (like my wallet) or even if I fire it right through my coat, is to SHOOT you with it and repeat that process as often as necessary, because that's the only way I stay inside your decision cycle. I've already identified you as someone intending serious harm to me or mine. That's all the information I need. I'm not going to "gather more information". By the time I find out that a gun doesn't scare you because you're wigged out, that you won't obey my "orders" because you don't even speak English, or whatever the "additional facts" might be, I've lost any advantage I ever had....and you've shot me, which was not the scenario I had in mind. I'm not going to give you the first shot if I can help it. (Lots of guys think they need to cross this threshold so that they have "permission" to "fire back"...the ultimate in stinkin' thinkin'.) Split seconds lost can get the wrong guy killed.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-11-2007, 02:35 AM.

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  • bpdblue
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    Notes

    A couple of notes;

    1) first to CHUCKY, thank you for noticing my 100th post, I thought it was way cool when I hit that mark.

    2) SecTrainer, if you were in jest, or not, I will say that while not the manliest caliber, the venerable .22 long rifle cartridge is my all time favorite bullet. It was a rifle of that caliber that was my first gun. It is a small, but potent round, that indeed has killed many animals, including the two legged kind.

    But I think of it as a great training round, a mild report when fired, barely any felt recoil, and yet produces true results. I think it is the ultimate caliber to start someone shooting with, as I will do with my son.

    So, as the ultimate fun, training, small game hunting round, I nominate the .22 long rifle cartridge as the best out there.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Hell, this article was designed to do one thing. Get page hits from forums and social networking sites.

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  • integrator97
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    I think the point was manly, meaning big & bad. I think that's why they were excluded. Not saying that a .25 or a .22 isn't deadly or great for concealment.

    It's kind of like saying list the '70s muscle cars. Now no one can say a Datsun 240Z wasn't fast. Hell, it could beat some muscle cars. But it wasn't a muscle car. (BTW, for you young pups out there: Datsun was the original name of Nissan. Not bought or merged, just a name change )

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  • SecTrainer
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    In my experience, authors of such phallic-laced swill are usually compensating for certain...ummm...shortcomings, shall we say? His interest in Camel-smoking sperms made me a little nervous.

    The deprecating comment concerning .25's and Berettas suggests that this a man who knows nothing about the world's best intelligence operatives, who carry such weapons among others, and any of whom would gobble his lunch and then stuff the empty sack down his throat, with the empty pudding cup and the banana peel. (Intelligence operatives like to be tidy.)

    And since he is alive (corpses don't fart, do they?), although seemingly barely conscious, we also know that he certainly is not a man who has ever been shot properly with a .25 (or .22, for that matter) by someone who knows what ammunition to carry and how to use the weapon.

    More's the pity. It's an experience he - and everyone like him - should have if they want to claim to have lived an interesting life. I understand it just sort of tickles a little bit when that little "unmanly" bullet ricochets around and fragments inside your cranium, rearranging all your ideas, hopes and dreams. I myself have never yearned for life to be quite that interesting, so I can't say personally and most who have inside knowledge of the sensation have declined to say much about it afterwards. You could just see that they were tickled to death, though. I myself have had occasion to visit several homicide scenes in which the most prominent occupant was someone who had been tickled to death by such girlie weapons, in fact. They couldn't stop laughing.

    Now, our author proposed that he be allowed to shoot you at 500 yards with an AR-15 to prove the mettle of that firearm, in case you doubt its manliness. (Why did he insist on being allowed to shoot first, I wonder?). The thing is, so few of us need to plunk folks at 500 yards. Seven yards and less is where we'll likely be engaged. So...should our author volunteer to be shot at 5 yards or so with a .25 (I will even handicap myself further by using the Beretta he mocks), and assuming that I get to select the ammunition, he can be accommodated. Perhaps he'll tell us how much it tickles.

    Everything is relative when it comes to these stupid "mine is bigger than yours" debates. Manly guns? Someone should warn this bohunkus to watch out for "la femme fatale". She comes in the disguise of .22, .25 and .32 calibers, and if you show her the least disrespect she is quite capable of wiping the smile off your "manly" face forever. Never doubt the capability of "small", or as our author would have it, "unmanly" guns.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-10-2007, 06:05 PM.

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  • Chucky
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    Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
    In Vietnam I carried a 50 cal. machine gun up and down the mountains. Maximun effective range 3200 yards. Actually it was better that that.
    I have to agree that carrying a 50 tripod mount more than you have to could break a persons spirit. I had a team to help transport mine. This for the bang for the buck was not a feasible plan as it took 3 to 4 men to lug it. One carried the tripod and a box of ammo the other lugged the spare barrel and ammo and I carried the receiver with barrel. We opt for high ground and a fixed position as long as possible. You just have to love the 90 day wonders. Ours was a second Lt that had his guys build his little command bunker 10 feet within our field of fire. Rather than admit he screwed up he had us lock the pivot to the right 2 feet shot of his bunker.

    (bdbblue Congrats on your 100 post.) When I first got to Nam we had M-14s for the first few months till issued the AR models. The problem we had with the 14s were that for Jungle fighting at close range they were to powerful. In a lot of cases the exit wound should be a lot bigger than the entrance hole but were not. So the 14s have found a home as a med use sniper rifle. The ARs used a smaller shell that tumbled inside the target causing more damage. We had lots of problems with the mechanical workings of that gun at first. Jams etc.
    Last edited by Chucky; 11-10-2007, 03:26 PM.

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  • bpdblue
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    M 14

    The M 14, looks as good as it is potent. There is a reason it is still being used in our military.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Manly enough for you????

    In Vietnam I carried a 50 cal. machine gun up and down the mountains. Maximun effective range 3200 yards. Actually it was better that that.

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  • publicsafetyred
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    Originally posted by OccamsRazor View Post
    This was the 'manliest' firearms listing, not the 'overpriced but still perfectly adequate' firearms listings.
    I snorted milk out my nose when I read that... thanks.

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  • bpdblue
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    the garand

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  • Rooney
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    I agree with Mr. Warnock. The P220 is a great weapon. I haven't put mine through as much as that Glock has gone through, but almost.
    Truthfully I was surprised that the AK was #6. I would've figured 2 or 3. I know a few soldiers that wish they had thier AK's in the sandbox instead of the M16 varients. Although I have both, under fire I would prefer my AK.

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  • EMTGuard
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    Haha...I saw this posted a couple of days ago in the Hamsexy forums. I guess my pistols, most of them 9mm, would not be considered manly. Oh well. Let the viking have his opinion.

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