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Hey everyone i apologize for being M.I.A..
things have changed since my post.
i quit the company after my former manager laughed at all of my safety concerns which was the last straw. A fellow guard was hit in the jaw with a glass bottle and he still insisted on keeping oc spray conceled on our person. Although i have the license for it B.s.i.s would flip if i had a use of force incident when the post clearly saus it is an unarmed gig. He mentioned that he had the same situation go down in san diego for a different post and that it will die down. It did not and 6 people were fired or had quit in the month i was there. I returned to my previous company in the same city but with far better management and my pay only took a 25 cent hit so im at 13.75.
I think im better suited as an leo and will work towards that goal.
at least leos have powers to act (with sound judgement of course)
Anyway i appreciate all of the insight and i wish you all a quiet shift.
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Originally posted by Sentinel27 View Post
Agree 100%. I don't understand companies/sites that are "hands-off" yet they still want you to confront trespassers and the like. They don't seem to understand that even if you have no intention of arresting someone or putting your hands on them, they might still try to put hands on YOU. That's where DEFENSIVE tools come into play. I actually don't think that security should be arresting people or carrying all the same tools as the police, but you have to be able to protect yourself. Hell, you can be the target of violence even while just "observing and reporting". Another thing that irks me is when sites don't issue tools because they want "friendly" looking security staff. Might as well issue them with smiley face t-shirts and baskets of lollipops then.
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Originally posted by Consolewatcher View Post
I agree. Part of the problem is that in some places guards aren't provided certain equipment because "they're not the police", yet the guards are expected to do things that are usually handled by the police, and not by "civilians". Companies need to stop trying to straddle the line; either adapt a "hands-off, no confrontation" policy or properly equip their guards.
Also, I think that if you are not armed with a firearm that you should always give a person an option to "avoid" being arrested/detained For example, "leave or I'll arrest you..", "stop committing that illegal act or I'll arrest you.." "give me back that property and don't ever come back or I'll arrest you..". That way the person who is wanted by the police, already has two "strikes", etc. will feel it's a better idea to leave instead of doing something crazy or stupid to avoid arrest and have the police take them into custody.Last edited by Sentinel27; 12-23-2017, 09:28 PM.
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Originally posted by Sentinel27 View Post
As far as I'm concerned, ANY job with no use of force tools is observe and report only, no matter what job description says. If they want you to do actual enforcement, then a vest + UoF option are a MUST. People will fight/stab/shoot you over absolutely nothing these days. And as always, look for something better in the meantime.
Also, I think that if you are not armed with a firearm that you should always give a person an option to "avoid" being arrested/detained For example, "leave or I'll arrest you..", "stop committing that illegal act or I'll arrest you.." "give me back that property and don't ever come back or I'll arrest you..". That way the person who is wanted by the police, already has two "strikes", etc. will feel it's a better idea to leave instead of doing something crazy or stupid to avoid arrest and have the police take them into custody.
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Originally posted by rekaepa View PostGreetings! New to the site. I've been doing security for 11 months and recently changed employer. it's a patrol job, unarmed, solo, no gear, in the city of pomona for all of the "quikemarts".
i don't know if maybe im in the minority here but i feel like this is too dangerous. pays 14 an hour. hostile homeless people and gangbangers and all i got is a pen and note pad and phone
would you walk from this?
I need answers.
thanks in advance.
I hope this is in the right sectionLast edited by Sentinel27; 12-23-2017, 04:42 PM.
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No way, no how. Had a guy come work at the post office who came from a similar post. Low pay, dangerous area. I had worked for that company, so I know how much they don't care
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One thing to keep in mind is that you may be liable for your actions...or inactions in a given circumstance.
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Originally posted by Ingio Montoya View PostI know this has already been quoted but autocorrect butchered what I was trying to say and I need to fix it.
No. A brawl in the parking lot shouldn't be a judgment call it should be an automatic call to the police.
I've worked for companies who won't let you call the cops before and what ends up happening is you end backed up against a fence with nowhere to run and one hand on your gun with some homeless crackhead telling you he is going to kill you with an axe and you're answering b******* questions from dispatch like "The police want to know if any weapons were involved or mentioned".
Where I'm at now there are certain crimes I don't have to ask anybody before I call the police. If I ask a trespasser to leave one time and he doesn't I call the cops. Anytime I find an open door when doing a building check I call the police. Believe me it works much better then going through a dispatcher who doesn't give a damn because HE'S not in danger and you interrupted his lunch.
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sounds bad to me. LA county is gangbanger central, period.
I'm guessing the "loiterers" aren't just harmless smelly bums or bored uppermiddle class teenie boppers.
Sounds like a typical "set up to fail" gig. Even that Verbal Judo guru would fail once the gangbangers quickly figure out he has no real power.
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To add on to what the others said, you're just a pair of eyes in a flashy car at this point.
It's not dangerous unless you make it so, by getting into situations you shouldn't be.
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That's why you have to know your company's policies. Another example would be retail security - a lot of places the security for the facility is not responsible for loss prevention - that's up to each shop. If there is a disturbance in the common area or clear threat to patron's safety, then the facility security officers would act.
Calling PD is such a complicated thing anymore that I'm on the fence. On the one hand, I've worked for companies that drill in you to call the police for every little thing; you learn really quick what PD will actually respond to in a decent amount of time. In the case of the brawl, I can tell you that one of my supervisors would have done nothing except observe and report if he thought it was "mutual combat" and no bystanders were in danger.
As Console noted, I can see the point that if the merchant knows of an active situation and doesn't call PD, he shouldn't expect you (the underpaid, unarmed S/O) to make that call unless he can't for some reason.
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Originally posted by Ingio Montoya View PostNo. A brawl in the parking lot shouldn't be a judgment call it should be an automatic cal tol the police.
I'very worked for companies who won't let you call the cops either and what ends up happening is you end backed up against a fence with nowhere to run and one hand on your gun whith some homeless crackhead telling you he is going to kill you with an axe and you're answering b******* questions from dispatch like "The police want to know if any weapons were involved or mentioned".
Where I'm at now there are certain crimes I don't have to ask anybody call the boys ask a trespasser to leave one time if he doesn't I call the cops. Anytime I find an open door when doing a building I call the police. Believe me it works much better then going through a dispatcher who doesn't give a damn because he's not in danger and you interrupted his lunch.
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I know this has already been quoted but autocorrect butchered what I was trying to say and I need to fix it.
No. A brawl in the parking lot shouldn't be a judgment call it should be an automatic call to the police.
I've worked for companies who won't let you call the cops before and what ends up happening is you end backed up against a fence with nowhere to run and one hand on your gun with some homeless crackhead telling you he is going to kill you with an axe and you're answering b******* questions from dispatch like "The police want to know if any weapons were involved or mentioned".
Where I'm at now there are certain crimes I don't have to ask anybody before I call the police. If I ask a trespasser to leave one time and he doesn't I call the cops. Anytime I find an open door when doing a building check I call the police. Believe me it works much better then going through a dispatcher who doesn't give a damn because HE'S not in danger and you interrupted his lunch.
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