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    *just got off an overnight so forgive me if I dont make sense please*

    Good morning everyone
    What are some of your tactics well working security (dont give to much tactical intel online though just the basics) I personally go by the 10 deadly sins, I dont let my suspect put his/her hands in there pockets, I keep them out of my "circle" unless taking them down, and I work from an angled stance.

    If this topic is to sensitive alternatly we can start a thread "lessons learned from security" to help us all get better at what we do

    input encouraged

    stay safe
    Ben

  • #2
    When Dealing with ppl i remember the "bubble rule", i dont get in thier bubble unless they are combative, i stand "T-squared" to them with weight on the leg that is nearer to the person incase they decide to "push me" over. i passively agree with everything they "say" to get them to calm down using words like " i understand" "go on" "okay" "i agree to a point" etc, once they are calm i state "okay now you know your in voilation of such and such, and i need you to move or comply with the rules" or something to that effect, then i saw "I understand that your upset with what just happened, but remember you can talk to so and so in the morning about your problem i would be more than happy to give you a phone number" about 90 percent of the time this "tactic" works, by just nodding although you dont entirely agree with everything that has happened.
    When not at work or out watching a moive.. passed out at the keyboard.

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    • #3
      #1. "Did I fire five times? Six times? Well, punk? Feelin' lucky?"
      #2. "Do you prefer size 38 or 12 guage? Or, do you prefer XL rubber bag and a free ride?"

      I obviously am from "old school" and not P.C.. Yeah, I know. I've heard it all. Never had a complaint filed.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mh892
        #1. "Did I fire five times? Six times? Well, punk? Feelin' lucky?"
        #2. "Do you prefer size 38 or 12 guage? Or, do you prefer XL rubber bag and a free ride?"

        I obviously am from "old school" and not P.C.. Yeah, I know. I've heard it all. Never had a complaint filed.
        Not because dead people can't complain, I hope
        I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
        Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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        • #5
          others

          when I am trying to get a tactical advantage and move in on someone well it is dark I will shine my maglight on them quickly then turn it off with there location still fresh in my mind I will move to somewhere with a better tactical position repeat as desired until in a better position then suspect.Alternatly if I am trying to keep pressure on the suspect (like if he is breaking into a car) I will usually keep my light on him (my maglight packs a punch) and issue loud verbal commands. I make it a habit to always do a 180 degree look around before I exit a room, I was taught look, listen, see, watch for hazards (gas, glass, fire, wire, etc) I will always scan the area before I enter stores this includes roof tops. Just some of the things I use, please add to the list

          the nice thing about this thread is we can exchange ideas for the good of officer survival

          the more we learn the better off we will be IMHO

          stay safe
          Ben

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          • #6
            20 years of inner city LE work give me all the suspicion this old man needs to get older. This is my space thou shall not enter. Thou shalt stay where I damn well tell you. I like your hands- they're pretty, so lets see them. We shall not try to back the officer into a corner, thats rude. No I don't care whats behind me, you should be concerned about the 6'3" built like a truck 220lb and can run like a deer, eager 23 year old officer behind YOU. I'm sure you're just minding your own business behind this bldg at 3 in the morning, I'm just calling it in so no one else bothers your walk. Last but not least- I'll see your two Nike's and raise you my Motorola.
            Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time-

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Defensive tactics
              when I am trying to get a tactical advantage and move in on someone well it is dark I will shine my maglight on them quickly then turn it off with there location still fresh in my mind I will move to somewhere with a better tactical position repeat as desired until in a better position then suspect.Alternatly if I am trying to keep pressure on the suspect (like if he is breaking into a car) I will usually keep my light on him (my maglight packs a punch) and issue loud verbal commands. I make it a habit to always do a 180 degree look around before I exit a room, I was taught look, listen, see, watch for hazards (gas, glass, fire, wire, etc) I will always scan the area before I enter stores this includes roof tops. Just some of the things I use, please add to the list

              the nice thing about this thread is we can exchange ideas for the good of officer survival

              the more we learn the better off we will be IMHO

              stay safe
              Ben

              Great hints, tactical awareness should be second nature on any response or normal duties. And going to that same alarm 20 times, its that 21st time,you'll get bit. And if you're armed protect that weapon, keep the space-keep your weapon and remember situational awareness and what your backstop will be. Most important train, physically and mentally. Train as if your life depended on it, it just may some day.
              Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time-

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              • #8
                1. Distance is my friend!

                2. If distance isn't my friend, you're on the floor!

                3. If either #1 or #2 are out the window - well let me introduce you to my multiple (oops - did I forget to mention them?) partners, and possible my three friends (Taser, ASP, and OC).
                "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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                • #9
                  now the bubble is that for investigating criminal incidents or all the time. People get offended sometimes when you ask em to step back when they get too close and they are non combative, too bad. I try to do the 6 foot rule if not possible at least 3 feet.
                  "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ycaso77
                    ...This is my space thou shall not enter.
                    Thou shalt stay where I damn well tell you.
                    I like your hands- they're pretty, so lets see them.
                    We shall not try to back the officer into a corner, thats rude. ...
                    I'll see your two Nike's and raise you my Motorola.
                    Those are classic man, thanks for the chuckle.

                    I'll throw a couple into the mix as well..
                    Always remember, (and be aware of in your surroundings), the difference between cover and concealment... If someone starts shooting, it's better to be behind a 12" thick cement wall than a plastic garbage can..
                    If at all possible, always try to use the 21(+) foot rule.. Especially if someone's being really fidgety and wont take their hands out of their pockets..
                    Safety and strength in NUMBERS... If you're dealing with more than one person, and it's at all possible, call for backup. Don't try to be a macho-man and take them on alone.

                    I've got a ton more, but I don't wanna spam the thread...
                    Corbier's Commandos - "Stickin it to the ninjas!"
                    Originally posted by ValleyOne
                    BANG, next thing you know Bob's your Uncle and this Sgt is seemingly out on his a$$.
                    Shoulda called in sick.
                    Be safe!

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                    • #11
                      hands

                      In regards to telling people to keep there hands out of there pockets, I explain to the person nicely that I have everyone keep there hands out of there pockets. it usually goes something like this

                      I approach them
                      Ben-Hows it going today sir
                      suspect-fine
                      Ben-Sir, I need you to keep your hands where I can see them please
                      suspect-why
                      Ben-well sir it is for my safety as well as yours I treat everyone i encounter like this
                      suspect-fine

                      *suspect keeps hands where I can see them* It is a bit of an inconvience but I dont care, officer safety over publics likes and dislikes is my idea. Other tactics I use are the curb if I see them getting hostile or showing fight or flight then i can say hey buddy sit down on that curb (or chair) for me so we can talk, if I am going to make an arrest I will grab them first (in escort position)

                      *grab*
                      Ben-store security you need to come with me
                      suspect-_ _ _ _ you
                      Ben-applies comes along lock in to the store they go

                      *I find that if I have already grabbed them as I tell them they are under arrest then I already have that contact for a takedown or joint lock.

                      Please add the the list, there has been some great tactics so far
                      I am learning a lot

                      stay safe
                      Ben

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bridgegate
                        Those are classic man, thanks for the chuckle.

                        I'll throw a couple into the mix as well..
                        Always remember, (and be aware of in your surroundings), the difference between cover and concealment... If someone starts shooting, it's better to be behind a 12" thick cement wall than a plastic garbage can..
                        If at all possible, always try to use the 21(+) foot rule.. Especially if someone's being really fidgety and wont take their hands out of their pockets..
                        Safety and strength in NUMBERS... If you're dealing with more than one person, and it's at all possible, call for backup. Don't try to be a macho-man and take them on alone.

                        I've got a ton more, but I don't wanna spam the thread...
                        I'm sure we could clog the works with more- your points ( just the thought of a garbage can as a nifty hideout makes me cringe) are great.
                        Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time-

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                        • #13
                          Fair enough... lol
                          Here's a few more...

                          ALWAYS retain control of the situation. From start to finish, the subject you're contacting/trespassing/arresting should KNOW that you are in control. It's okay to let them vent for a few minutes if they're upset, but they need to know that YOU are the one making the decisions.
                          Don't get stuck in an endless argument with a subject. Give them a few chances to comply willingly. (I normally go with 3 strikes, you're out) If they aren't willing to comply, it's cuff or LE time.
                          On that last chance, never threaten an action that you aren't willing to follow through with. If you tell the person that you'll call LE if they don't leave, and they don't, then CALL. If you don't, or give them more chances to argue, you've just given up control of the situation.
                          For those on patrol: If you're pulling over for a motorist assist, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't forget to check traffic coming from behind you, BEFORE opening your door.

                          And a personal favorite, told to me by the LE Sgt. who did my OC training:
                          NEVER fight fair. Nowhere in law or policy does it state that you can't fight dirty, and your #1 absolute priority is that you go home safe at the end of every shift. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
                          Corbier's Commandos - "Stickin it to the ninjas!"
                          Originally posted by ValleyOne
                          BANG, next thing you know Bob's your Uncle and this Sgt is seemingly out on his a$$.
                          Shoulda called in sick.
                          Be safe!

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                          • #14
                            I've had problems with people obeying simple commands like, "Keep your hands out of your pockets," or "step back."

                            The problem is that the public believes that only the police can give them such orders. This is confounded by the problem that walking up to someone is not a criminal offense. Indeed, in most states, standing 6 inches from someone while screaming at them is NOT a crime, and it can be argued that "there was threat of violence." So you're only recourse is to step back.

                            These tactics are taught to people to maintain control of a situation when an "authority figure" contacts them. If the responding officer to take the complaint in re the guy standing too close to you is of the "only police can give those orders" mindset, then you're going to be in trouble.

                            Generally, as it was "explained" to me by a police officer, the only recourse you have when someone refuses to comply and your safety is "threatened" is to walk away and call the police.

                            So, who wants to refute this?
                            Some Kind of Commando Leader

                            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                              Generally, as it was "explained" to me by a police officer, the only recourse you have when someone refuses to comply and your safety is "threatened" is to walk away and call the police.

                              So, who wants to refute this?
                              Depends on how your safety's being threatened... If you don't have cause for arrest, and all they're doing is keeping their hands in their pockets, then yea, you can't do a WHOLE lot more...
                              But if they're actually threatening physical violence, you do have a right to react appropriately in your own defense... At least, in THIS part of the country you do... Threatening violence is the same as using it... Just like pointing a gun at someone is just as bad as pulling the trigger.. (Albeit not as damaging)
                              Corbier's Commandos - "Stickin it to the ninjas!"
                              Originally posted by ValleyOne
                              BANG, next thing you know Bob's your Uncle and this Sgt is seemingly out on his a$$.
                              Shoulda called in sick.
                              Be safe!

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