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  • #16
    Thank you. Most states do not seem to consider "crime scene management" an issue for security personnel, it seems. Everyone's either copying Florida or California for their security training, though, since a lot of the state security regulatory boards are part of IASIR.
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    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #17
      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
      Thank you. Most states do not seem to consider "crime scene management" an issue for security personnel, it seems. Everyone's either copying Florida or California for their security training, though, since a lot of the state security regulatory boards are part of IASIR.
      then you have Utah, and DOPL and PASCO
      Its not how we die that counts.....
      Its not how we lived that counts....
      all that matters is how we saved that one life that one time by being in the right place at the right time....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by craig333 View Post
        Another thing, if its anything with blood or fluids, dead or alive, I'm wearing gloves before I touch anything.
        I've gone with the logic that if it's wet and not yours, don't touch it.
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        • #19
          The only 'true' Crime Scene Training I've received was during my reserve academy with Portland and with a casino/hotel in Nev. Other than that it has been hands off policy from most, if not all, of my employers/supervisors.
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          Nemo me impune lacessit

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          • #20
            In my younger days we would work in a 2 man K9 team and if into a possible hostile team we would run a dog into the area to conduct a search and come back. Now with cost cutting it is a sub-sub contractor who is usually running late by the time they get to the scene.

            In our training now you are given about 1 hour discussion in the training package of the need to not touch anything and to ensure that NO-ONE touches anything until the police get there and take command of the scene. I once had a major argument with a Facilities Manager who thought he knew everything in the company I worked for. I told him if he took a step towards the crime scene I would arrest him for trespass and I had my handcuffs out (all bluff but the arrest would be real). We had a bloody big hole in the wall from a truck (semi) driving through and he was more worried about getting that fixed before the police even arrived on the scene.

            I always made sure I had roll of barrier or safety tape (aka similar to POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS) to assist with cordoning off a scene until Police arrive and take command of the scene. But many idiots go in wanting to play DIE HARD 5.0 - SECURITY GUARDS IN ACTION by stepping over things they know nothing of.
            "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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            • #21
              If in your working environment you are required to have this and similiar training, or just want to broaden your skills, you might want to contact Jim Alsum, Director Public Agency Training Council, 5101 Decatur Blve, Ste. L, Indianapolis, IN 46241. Phone 1-800-365-0199. Email: [email protected] or David Huntress, American Trainco, PO Box 3397 Englewood, CO 80155. Phone 1-877-978-7246. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.AmericanTrainco.com
              Enjoy the day,
              Bill

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              • #22
                Originally posted by NRM_Oz View Post
                In our training now you are given about 1 hour discussion in the training package of the need to not touch anything and to ensure that NO-ONE touches anything until the police get there and take command of the scene. I once had a major argument with a Facilities Manager who thought he knew everything in the company I worked for. I told him if he took a step towards the crime scene I would arrest him for trespass and I had my handcuffs out (all bluff but the arrest would be real). We had a bloody big hole in the wall from a truck (semi) driving through and he was more worried about getting that fixed before the police even arrived on the scene.
                Admittedly, it's a major shift for people to suddenly realize that the place where they work every day is no longer just "the office" or "the factory", but now it's a "crime scene".

                It's an equally large shock to management to find that their movements are suddenly being restricted (by a security officer, no less!) in a place where they are normally accustomed to coming and going at will.
                "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

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                • #23
                  In our training now you are given about 1 hour discussion in the training package of the need to not touch anything and to ensure that NO-ONE touches anything until the police get there and take command of the scene. I once had a major argument with a Facilities Manager who thought he knew everything in the company I worked for. I told him if he took a step towards the crime scene I would arrest him for trespass and I had my handcuffs out (all bluff but the arrest would be real). We had a bloody big hole in the wall from a truck (semi) driving through and he was more worried about getting that fixed before the police even arrived on the scene.

                  We were taught by S2 that if someone touched something in a crime scene after told not to touch anything we could arrest them for tampering with evidence a 3rd degree felony.
                  "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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                  • #24
                    I have only been with this company for a few weeks when this had it and I had already had a big argument with this clown for overstepping his mark a few times when he was telling me about the security industry. The former position holder had been fired for fraud and before I was in the chair the security function had been passed to him to babysit. He reported me and I got a rep for being a no-nonsense person but in reality, I don't need people who have never worked in our industry telling ME how things are.

                    Oh it was an inside job by former terminated employees - who were dumb enough to drive distinctive cars.
                    "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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