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  • Mr. Security
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    Oc

    I have extremely sensitive eyes and a super-acute sense of smell. When my wife peels an onion in the kitchen, I need a Kleenex even though I am in the living room, because my eyes are tearing up and my throat feels tight. Can you imagine me trying to "fight through" pepper spray cross-contamination?

    I know I can't and so I don't carry it anymore. Chances are, the bad guy would be fine and I would be blind, gagging, and incapacitated. I'll stick with a baton.

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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
    Bring a extra shirt because the one you wear will be discolored, red/orange and wet.
    No better advice than that right there. Bring a t-shirt and a towel.

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  • Hank1
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    What to look forward to......
    Pain and a burning sensation. The burning hurts for some time. Bring a extra shirt because the one you wear will be discolored, red/orange and wet. spend lots of time under running water. If there is a breeze, look into it. It sucked big time, but required. Enjoy!

    Be Safe,

    Hank

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  • Just_Some_Guy
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    Originally posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Maybe so, but you don't need to be sprayed with it in order to know that it is painful. Again, the author of this thread mentioned that he also had the option of watching video of someone getting sprayed.
    Videos don't really have the same effect, especially when they were filmed in the 80s (the state is FINALLY updating the mandated training videos and filming this year). It's one thing to see it happen, but to actually experience it was something else.

    It definitely boosted my confidence and made me respect my weapon more.

    Besides, now I won't feel as guilty if I have to use lethal force against a suspect armed with OC (depending on situation, of course)

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  • tattedupboy
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    Originally posted by Bill Warnock View Post
    If you were asked by defense counsel, "Do you know how much that hurt my client and don't you think its use is tantamount to excessive force?" You can answer with a straight face, "Sir as part of my training, I was sprayed and know how irritating it is. It represents less than lethal force and since your client did not obey my lawful commands, I deemed it appropriate at the time to calm your client down rather than use a night stick. As soon as your client was restrained, I carefully washed his face to lessen the lingering effects of the chemical spray." The latter portion of that answer indicates you are a compassionate person who tries to mitigate unnecessary suffering and anguish.
    Normally those types of answers will defuse that line of questioning.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill
    Maybe so, but you don't need to be sprayed with it in order to know that it is painful. Again, the author of this thread mentioned that he also had the option of watching video of someone getting sprayed.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Are you guys freakin' insane? I realize that I'm in the minority here, but why would you suggest that he get sprayed knowing how painful it is when he has the option to get certified without getting sprayed?
    If you were asked by defense counsel, "Do you know how much that hurt my client and don't you think its use is tantamount to excessive force?" You can answer with a straight face, "Sir as part of my training, I was sprayed and know how irritating it is. It represents less than lethal force and since your client did not obey my lawful commands, I deemed it appropriate at the time to calm your client down rather than use a night stick. As soon as your client was restrained, I carefully washed his face to lessen the lingering effects of the chemical spray." The latter portion of that answer indicates you are a compassionate person who tries to mitigate unnecessary suffering and anguish.
    Normally those types of answers will defuse that line of questioning.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • tattedupboy
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    Are you guys freakin' insane? I realize that I'm in the minority here, but why would you suggest that he get sprayed knowing how painful it is when he has the option to get certified without getting sprayed?

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  • Just_Some_Guy
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    Just wanted to report back. I finally got sprayed recently - Fox Labs 2% (5.3 million SHU) was sprayed directly into my eyes from 4 feet away for a full second.

    It wasn't as bad as everyone here was saying. I have stomach aches a few times a year that hurt a lot more.

    Can't wait to get tased!

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  • Mall Director
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    OK, lots of good info!

    I really didnt want to re-write it all, but here is a summarization of OC, and if you have nay more questions, let me know!

    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=1115

    Enjoy!

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  • dsoul27
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    I'm going through the OC class next week. anybody know how much the permit cost in California? and also the baton.

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  • jmaccauley
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    Another reason to get sprayed is to assure yourself that you can still fight after getting a faceful. If you spray a violent person and have to wrestle with them, you will get contaminated. More likely though, your partner will spray you and you will still have to function.

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  • Lawson
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    I would get OC sprayed as soon as you can. A benefit of this is not only can you testify to what it feels like, but if you are armed, you could potentially use lethal force against someone who gets your OC off your belt if you can testify to the fact that it is incapacitating to you.

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  • Just_Some_Guy
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    Well, it didn't happen.

    Apparently I was the first person in the history of the company (about 30 officers have gone through the OC class) to actually volunteer to be OC'ed. This caught them off guard - not only did they not have a bucket, but we were also unable to locate an outside water tap on the building.

    Instead we got to watch videos taped in the 80s/early 90s of other people being sprayed.

    They will, however, be ready for me next month. Hopefully.

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  • SgtUSMC8541
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    look, no matter what you do..... its gonna suck.

    When I did my re-cert for instructor I brought a snorkel so I could keep my face underwater in the bucket without coming up for air. Much better.






    The bucket was made in China... at least thats what the bottom of it said.

    What the others have said is spot on.

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  • Lawson
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    For me, OC hurt like hell. When you decontaminate, be sure to dab on baby shampoo, DO NOT RUB. Rubbing will only make it worse. It will be a natural reaction to try to rub the OC out of your eyes, don't do that either

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