San Diego Vons Supermarket Security Officer Stabbed 10/23/09

[CesarTJr]

A vons supermarket security officer was stabbed last night doing his job.
it has been confirmed that the victim is a security officer.
here is a link to the story.
http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=11376350

[BailBondInvestigator]

WOW! The company I work for does LP for Vons! I am trying to find out, through the grapevine, if one of my co-workers was there and/or involved.

[BailBondInvestigator]

Upon closer listen...it WAS an LP agent that was stabbed. Nobody at the floor agent level seems to know much yet.

[Defensive tactics]

I wish the LP a quick recovery

[BailBondInvestigator]

I got the "real deal" on this from the company grapevine. The guy had been stopped, cuffed, brought back into the store, was going to be released (I assume Cited and Released but can't be sure), was uncuffed and being escorted out of the store when he stabbed the LP under the arm. There are no words.

[Defensive tactics]

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That all though not incredibly suprising is really unfortunite. I am not armchair quarter backing just trying to learn but how many LP/Security officers search there subjects persuant to arrest ??

[Curtis Baillie]

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That all though not incredibly suprising is really unfortunite. I am not armchair quarter backing just trying to learn but how many LP/Security officers search there subjects persuant to arrest ??

When I was working in the LP field 100% of the time. When I worked at the Director level I wrote and enforced policy that required 100% searches. As a Security Management Consultant I advise companies to conduct 100% searches. I cringe at companies that have expect their LP staff to make apprehensions and have no search, no handcuff and hands off policies. I can make make the case, in court, against companies that expect their LP to make apprehensions, but don't equip their staff with the proper tools to do the job (policies - equipment).

[BailBondInvestigator]

Policy-wise....we do. This error in judgement was costly.

[Jessica]

If he was releasing the guy, he probably verified his ID? I know that the article is short and not full of detail, but I hope they find this guy and put him away.

[N. A. Corbier]

When I was working in the LP field 100% of the time. When I worked at the Director level I wrote and enforced policy that required 100% searches. As a Security Management Consultant I advise companies to conduct 100% searches. I cringe at companies that have expect their LP staff to make apprehensions and have no search, no handcuff and hands off policies. I can make make the case, in court, against companies that expect their LP to make apprehensions, but don't equip their staff with the proper tools to do the job (policies - equipment).

Now, this is only about Florida, in this reply, but something I've always found funny. The status for retail theft detention only allows for detention, and search incident to arrest doesn't seem to apply to merchant detentions. So, we were not allowed to search incident to arrest after detaining someone for shoplifting, and corporate counsel for the employer stated: Private citizens have no search authority, do not search a detainee, even for weapons.

Thankfully, I now live in a state with codified search incident to arrest for private citizens.

[integrator97]

I used to hang out in several places right around there, in the early 80's. Hope the guy heals up alright.

[CesarTJr]

Update

Update to news story from KFMB CBS San Diego News

"Police continue to search for the person responsible for stabbing a security guard outside a Vons store in Clairemont.
Meanwhile, the security guard who kept his partner alive until help arrived is speaking out about the attack.

Last week, Brendan Kragel and his partner had taken a shoplifter into custody.

After a while the suspect asked for the handcuffs to be removed. Because he was cooperative, the guards complied.

Once they took the cuffs off, the suspect took off running. Kragel's partner chased him down, but was stabbed by the suspect.

Police describe the suspect as an Asian man in his early 20s, 5 foot 10 or so, with an athletic build and spiky hair.

Anyone with information is asked to call police."

link to the story
http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=11413597

[BailBondInvestigator]

Interesting in that it is a, somewhat, different version than I got through the employee grapevine.