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    Very sad:

    Witness/cousin said the armed guard also had pepperspray and was on the job at a liquor store for 12 years:

    http://ktla.com/2013/04/12/armed-sec...#axzz2QFbmI52g

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    Too easy to "sucker shoot"(like sucker punch) then take someone's gun.

    Which is why one of my back-burner projects is to develop a holster with a "trick" retention gadget that would be more or less hidden and look like a standard common brand name holster, but would have an extra retention feature that wouldn't slow down a gun draw much after bit of practice, and might be figured out in a minute if you had the holstered gun in front of you on a nice lighted workbench.....

    but would be enough so someone trying to grab your gun after a 'sucker assault' would be slowed down and baffled enough to either flee or get caught. It would also be enough to allow you to use your gun-hand in a fight instead of using it to try to retain the gun.


    PS-This is why I keep saying a guard in any sort of risky post should have "always on" video running and Real Time uploading to wi-fi secure server. I believe what keeps cops safe is their practice of ALWAYS calling in plates before they get out of car and at least get bounceback that it isn't stolen. I think an "always on" video/uploader (with some indicator light) could have similar effect.
    Last edited by Squid; 04-15-2013, 03:02 PM.

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    • #3
      If someone were trying to take your firearm you might be using your weak side hand to help the strong side hand (in this case he was a lefty) to secure your firearm. It was suggested that he used pepperspray (don't know with which hand) as
      a choice for the threat. So if the guard were carrying spray in the weak hand when the attack came would that have been a good choice to ward off attacker?
      My granddaughter decided to recently live alone in Tampa. I got a little nervous for her and bought some pepper-spray. It was a type that you would lay in the palm of the hand and and operate by using the thumb. A lot of
      sprays you would hold a cannister vertically and use the index finger to operate.
      Would there be a benefit if while on patrol you had your primary hand for firearm only and the secondary for another non-lethal?
      It hard to tell what happened but a person working a post for 12 years should recognize where he/she is most vulnerable?

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      • #4
        No one "out draws" anyone else if the person drawing first does so at least 1/2 'clean' with no hangups.

        Human reflexes don't work that way. So no matter how many years on the job, or even if he "smelled a threat" the Bad-Guy (who CAN walk into the store) can draw and shoot him and wouldn't matter if the guard was baddest assed guy in the world. (Ok, MAYBE a real badass could juke enough to make a lousy shot miss...but I'd take the lousy shot w/the semi-auto pistol everytime at close range even against Olympic gymnast).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Squid View Post
          No one "out draws" anyone else if the person drawing first does so at least 1/2 'clean' with no hangups.

          Human reflexes don't work that way. So no matter how many years on the job, or even if he "smelled a threat" the Bad-Guy (who CAN walk into the store) can draw and shoot him and wouldn't matter if the guard was baddest assed guy in the world. (Ok, MAYBE a real badass could juke enough to make a lousy shot miss...but I'd take the lousy shot w/the semi-auto pistol everytime at close range even against Olympic gymnast).
          If you are up against a gun that is out already you odds are not good IMO...
          In this case the report say he had spray out (first).
          What I was thinking:
          Is there a benefit (looking for opinion) to having one hand for firearm and a second (possibly already holding spray
          ) as a secondary?

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