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  • HotelSecurity
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    Transit Security in the Montreal Metro no longer have Police status. They used to be Special Constables under the Railway Act. This power was taken away many years ago. Montreal Police wants to take them over now. In the meantime they are Security Agents that have the powers to enforce a city by-law concerning security in the metro. They also have another power that people hired to enforce city by-laws have. They can arrest for "entrave". I can't think of the English word. It's when you refuse to id yourself to them. Obstruction, I think it is

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  • ycaso77
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    I see your point. Another agency that seems to be filled with useless dolts as peace officers is the NYS Office of Mental Health, their "Police Officers" are usually damn fools that take their job wayyyyy too seriously.

    I would venture to say there's far more good than bad when it comes to the peace officers though.
    I generally think the peace officer statute was a step in the right direction. Basically it gave government employees with one or both arms tied behind thier back some recognition and authority to perform thier jobs. For the most part it seems to parallel State Protective services officers in Connecticut. I am pretty much of the mindset that security personnel working for colleges, transit systems, utilities or large facilties or public venues where public contact is a given should be covered by some type of statutory authority. Have stringent hiring practices, an abbrieviated academy ( 8 weeks), complete background checks and then form a state reserve with those officers. In times of natural disaster or other emergencies you have a ready, trained auxiliary force to assist local and state authorities. Also employee quality, pay and retention go up. Perception of the career field is improved....ok I'm dreaming again, so someone slap me!

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    AFAIK, you can't get a pistol permit in a state you don't live in. I had to jump through hoops to just transfer my permit when I moved to a different county within NY.
    Several states give non-resident licenses. Florida is one of them.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by ycaso77
    Also when you can excercise police powers, only on duty vs. 24/7. The peace officer status in NYS was a cheap way to get around having to pay and train fully qualified police for colleges and city/state agencies. Some have minimal training and perform unarmed ( the horror stories from NYC Homeless Police come to mind) all the way up to fully qualified but restricted jurisdiction and enforcement powers. And being appointed by any agency doesn't prevent one from being an idiot. Add nepotism, the old boy network, political pressure and small town politics in general and you get what you get. Even large cities and State agency hires aren't immune from the same conditions.
    I see your point. Another agency that seems to be filled with useless dolts as peace officers is the NYS Office of Mental Health, their "Police Officers" are usually damn fools that take their job wayyyyy too seriously.

    I would venture to say there's far more good than bad when it comes to the peace officers though.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by SgtUSMC8541
    Where in NY are you? If you are in the lower NYC/Westchester County area I would say, apply for your CT pistol permit and then get your Guard Card and "Blue Card" to work in CT. Whole thing should run you around $300 max, and then you can work any security job armed or unarmed in CT.
    AFAIK, you can't get a pistol permit in a state you don't live in. I had to jump through hoops to just transfer my permit when I moved to a different county within NY.

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  • ycaso77
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Nah, it cost me around $500 for my pistol permit. Just out of curiousity, who told you that any idiot can be a peace officer? In order to be a peace officer, you need to be appointed by a government agency (town, village, county, etc) or otherwise be specially allowed by law to attend the training. They had town constables where I used to live that were peace officers - the only thing differenciating them from the city police was the title.

    I personally don't understand why we have peace officers here. The training and powers are so similar to the police, it seems almost useless.
    Also when you can excercise police powers, only on duty vs. 24/7. The peace officer status in NYS was a cheap way to get around having to pay and train fully qualified police for colleges and city/state agencies. Some have minimal training and perform unarmed ( the horror stories from NYC Homeless Police come to mind) all the way up to fully qualified but restricted jurisdiction and enforcement powers. And being appointed by any agency doesn't prevent one from being an idiot. Add nepotism, the old boy network, political pressure and small town politics in general and you get what you get. Even large cities and State agency hires aren't immune from the same conditions.

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  • The Lord of the Keys
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    I'm in upstate NY. To far from any border to do me any good. As a civilian I have a concealed carry permit, I just can't work armed without an armed guard license.

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  • SgtUSMC8541
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    Where in NY are you? If you are in the lower NYC/Westchester County area I would say, apply for your CT pistol permit and then get your Guard Card and "Blue Card" to work in CT. Whole thing should run you around $300 max, and then you can work any security job armed or unarmed in CT.

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  • CAR54
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    Here in California (another liberal state BTW) many companies offer the 2 day exposed weapon class free of charge to employees. You just have to pay for the permit, with is around $150.

    Course getting hired to work an armed account is another thing. For obvious reasons a LOT of companies aren't going to hire a young guy with little job experience to wander around, say for example a mall, with a gun.

    My class here in Los Angeles was full of young guys that looked and acted like a bunch of gang bangers and just wanted to carry semi-auto pistols. And NONE of them could shoot worth a dam. And the instructor passed every one.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    It sounds like the NY CCW permit. But, then, think about it. This is a state where any idiot can be a peace officer, and then carry under the protection of the state. That a mere mortal non-peace officer would dare carry a firearm... Need to discourage that.
    Nah, it cost me around $500 for my pistol permit. Just out of curiousity, who told you that any idiot can be a peace officer? In order to be a peace officer, you need to be appointed by a government agency (town, village, county, etc) or otherwise be specially allowed by law to attend the training. They had town constables where I used to live that were peace officers - the only thing differenciating them from the city police was the title.

    I personally don't understand why we have peace officers here. The training and powers are so similar to the police, it seems almost useless.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    It sounds like the NY CCW permit. But, then, think about it. This is a state where any idiot can be a peace officer, and then carry under the protection of the state. That a mere mortal non-peace officer would dare carry a firearm... Need to discourage that.

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  • 1stWatch
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    It's just under $2K to get the card here.


    Liberalism is a mental disorder.
    WTF? $150 here for the state registration charge and maybe $50 for the classroom training. They must really be trying to discourage arming of security at that rate. Hardly anybody in our line of work can afford two thousand dollars just for a little certificate.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Florida D class is 40 hours but you can take a 24 hour class and then take 16 hour refresher before you renew it. G class is 28 (?) hours.

    MH892, I'm in Panama City, and my sis lives in FWB.

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  • mh892
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    These figures are off the top of my head but probably close. In Florida it is about $350.00 or so for the classes and the registration for "D" License (Security Officer) and "G" License (Statewide Firearm Permit, needed for armed position). If I remember right the "D" class is 16 hours and the "G" is 20+range. I can get exact numbers if someone is interested.

    If your looking for armed/unarmed in the Ft. Walton Beach area send me an e-mail. We need a few SO's right now and will need several in the very near future. But you need at least your "D" license and be able to pass a government background check.

    Comfortable cost of living compared to most northeast U.S. areas. Nice weather, beach, cetra, cetra.

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  • Lawson
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    For my office, with Wackenhut, you are paid for the training time at Minimum wage (Overtime paid if you worked a 40hr/wk.), then you can have the armed guard license deducted from your check in small intervals by signing a payroll deduction form. This way you are not slammed with the full price on one check.

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