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  • #16
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Wisconsin answers to the Department of Business Regulation, or DPR. We're lumped in with every other licensee, including doctors, nurses, EMTs, and massage therapists.
    It is the Department of Regulation & Licensing. aka The D-R-L.


    There are "Private Detective Agencies," who can provide "uniformed private security, private police, and private bodyguard" services.

    The person who is supervising private security operations must be a Private Investigator, Armed officers must have a 6 dollar permit, and undergo police firearms and defensive tactics training at thair expense.
    Private police are illegal in Wisconsin. There ARE "Private Security" companies. Also, no where on your uniform, vehicle, etc., can the word(s) "POLICE" be used. (example: Metropolitan Police Services did this and they are now out of business for it.)

    A supervisor does not have to be a private detective.


    Any person may be armed in this state openly, so there was no need for a firearms license.
    Wrong! To go armed, you must posess a "Blue Card". aka Firearms Permit issued by the Dept of Regulation & Licensing. Read Section 105-34 City and County of Milwaukee ordance. Any community can apply this ordance.

    Get this: A city may make an ordinance prohibiting firearms within the city limits, and security officers who even drive mobile patrol through that city are in violation. The permit does not grant any specific carry authority nor provide exemption of city ordinances, save that you may carry in a vehicle that is in operation. (Its illegal to have a weapon in a running car up here)
    The only place where that is enforced is in Jefferson County. All it takes is one person to challange that ordance in court and the county would lose its case.
    Last edited by Special Investigator; 11-12-2006, 04:22 PM.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    ~~George Orwell.

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    • #17
      Department of Public Safety.

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      • #18
        Private Security in WA answers to both the Dept. of Licensing and the Criminal Justice Training Commission.
        "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
        "The Curve" 1998

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        • #19
          For the last 30 years - NO ONE

          Starting next year - to a license board just now being set up throught the Quebec Ministry of Justice.

          (I<m in-house) Contract people have always had to have a license issued by the Sureté du Québec.
          I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
          Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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          • #20
            Also, NO ONE, In-House.

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            • #21
              Ok, you want to play...

              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              It is the Department of Regulation & Licensing. aka The D-R-L.
              Correct.



              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              Private police are illegal in Wisconsin. There ARE "Private Security" companies. Also, no where on your uniform, vehicle, etc., can the word(s) "POLICE" be used. (example: Metropolitan Police Services did this and they are now out of business for it.)
              Wrong. In Kenosha alone, there are two companies, "Schmitt Security POLICE" and "Kenosha Private POLICE" which are duly licensed by the DRL and have marked patrol vehicles that say, respectively, "Security Police" and "Private Police" on them.

              The Kenosha Police Department has advised me that this is PERFECTLY LEGAL. I can have a sworn law enforcement officer over at Officer.com come here and note that he did in fact see a "Kenosha Private Police" vehicle driving through Kenosha. Hell, the thing parks at the Kenosha Public Safety Building, and yet the driver isn't arrested.

              The Kenosha Public Library is guarded by a man wearing patches that say Kenosha Private Police. They've had those patches for 50 years!

              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              A supervisor does not have to be a private detective.
              I stand corrected.

              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              Wrong! To go armed, you must posess a "Blue Card". aka Firearms Permit issued by the Dept of Regulation & Licensing. Read Section 105-34 City and County of Milwaukee ordance. Any community can apply this ordance.
              First, I live in the City of Kenosha, which has no such ordinance. Second, the State of Wisconsin has preemption of local firearm ordinances.

              Originally posted by Wisconsin Statutes
              Chapter 66.049(22)
              (2) Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4) , no political subdivision may enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute.

              66.0409(3)
              (3)

              66.0409(3)(a)
              (a) Nothing in this section prohibits a county from imposing a sales tax or use tax under subch. V of ch. 77 on any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, sold in the county.

              66.0409(3)(b)
              (b) Nothing in this section prohibits a city, village or town that is authorized to exercise village powers under s. 60.22 (3) from enacting an ordinance or adopting a resolution that restricts the discharge of a firearm.
              Hey, look, its illegal under state law to enact an ordinance that bans the bearing of firearms if that ordinance is more restrictive than state law. And since Wisconsin Statutes does not ban "going armed" except in specific areas and specific situations, that ordinance is illegal, or does not do what you think it does!


              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              The only place where that is enforced is in Jefferson County. All it takes is one person to challange that ordance in court and the county would lose its case.
              See above.
              Some Kind of Commando Leader

              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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              • #22
                In Kenosha alone, there are two companies, "Schmitt Security POLICE" and "Kenosha Private POLICE" which are duly licensed by the DRL and have marked patrol vehicles that say, respectively, "Security Police" and "Private Police" on them.
                Private security cannot use the word "police". The Dept of Regulation & Licensing prohibits the use of the word "Police" by security companies & personal. (I have to look up the exact regulation and I will get back to you on it)


                its illegal under state law to enact an ordinance that bans the bearing of firearms if that ordinance is more restrictive than state law. And since Wisconsin Statutes does not ban "going armed" except in specific areas and specific situations, that ordinance is illegal, or does not do what you think it does!
                Any community can, and often does use Section 105-34 for their own use. I can arguee this point with you till I'm blue in the face.

                Again, I challange you to go armed down a public street/way and see how far you get. A few days ago in Milwaukee, someone did just that and was shot and killed by police.


                "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                ~~George Orwell.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Special Investigator
                  Private security cannot use the word "police". The Dept of Regulation & Licensing prohibits the use of the word "Police" by security companies & personal. (I have to look up the exact regulation and I will get back to you on it)




                  Any community can, and often does use Section 105-34 for their own use. I can arguee this point with you till I'm blue in the face.

                  Again, I challange you to go armed down a public street/way and see how far you get. A few days ago in Milwaukee, someone did just that and was shot and killed by police.


                  Please, get back to me on this. This was discussed by the Security and Private Investigator Advisory Council, but no legislation was ever enacted on it. This would make Kenosha Private Police illegal, and considering they're still providing services to the City of Kenosha, as well as Schmitt Security Police, it'd be hard to see that being illegal.

                  Done so, in Kenosha. With a Beretta. No problems reported, nobody called the cops, I ate at a chinese restraunt. I know the owner, he didn't care. I saw two squads drive by, one waved, the other ignored me.
                  Some Kind of Commando Leader

                  "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                    Please, get back to me on this.

                    I will. I'll check for the exact regulation, #'s, etc.

                    I know some do use the word "police" on vehicles, shoulder patches, etc., but as far as I know they can't. In Milwaukee, a company calling itself "Metropolatan Police Services" got into trouble because of it. I suppose it would depend on where they are operating but in Milwaukee they do enforce that regulation.

                    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                    ~~George Orwell.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Special Investigator
                      Private security cannot use the word "police". The Dept of Regulation & Licensing prohibits the use of the word "Police" by security companies & personal. (I have to look up the exact regulation and I will get back to you on it)....
                      Please do. However, even IF it is not legal, it clearly isn't enforced statewide as Nathan illustrated.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #26
                        I know of 2 by-law enforcement units in the Montreal area that the police made them change their vehicles, not because they had the words police on them but in one case, because the cars were black with white doors. They were adding red flashers to them. The police objected saying black & white would look too much like a police car. (Although most police cars in Quebec are white with blue stripes). The 2nd one as all of the others on the island, called themselved Sécurité Publique which can be translated as Public Security & Public Safety/ (Sécurité is both security & safety). They ere stopped by the police because there are police forces that call themselves Public Safety, although again none in this area.
                        I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                        Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                          I know of 2 by-law enforcement units in the Montreal area that the police made them change their vehicles, not because they had the words police on them but in one case, because the cars were black with white doors. They were adding red flashers to them. The police objected saying black & white would look too much like a police car. (Although most police cars in Quebec are white with blue stripes). The 2nd one as all of the others on the island, called themselved Sécurité Publique which can be translated as Public Security & Public Safety/ (Sécurité is both security & safety). They ere stopped by the police because there are police forces that call themselves Public Safety, although again none in this area.
                          That was probably the last straw.
                          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                          • #28
                            Our corporate stepped away from the traditional "badges" on the doors, to avoid any conflict with LEO, which I agree with. But now whats funny.. Everybody has stepped away from this, and every agency, LE and Security, have script logo's with the stripe running from front to rear.. Go figure.. Cant win em all..

                            Anyways, I report to too many agencies. Mostly now to DHS, which taggs along ICE, CBI, and many others.. I get lost in all the reports I send weekly.. I dont think it will get any easier either!
                            Deputy Sheriff

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                            • #29
                              Save ya some trouble Nathan.

                              From O.com

                              I think Mr S. hit the nail on the head. It dosen't matter if using the word police is against the law if it's not enforced.
                              ~Black Caesar~
                              Corbier's Commandos

                              " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                              • #30
                                Private Investigator Licensing Board, a part of the State Attorney General's office.

                                They license all Private Patrolmen, Private Investigators, Process Servers, Polygraph Examiners, and Canine Handlers.

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