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  • aka Bull
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    Originally posted by aphilpot
    At least your patients dis-connect their oxygen. At our hospital we confront people almsot every day as they smoke in their wheelchairs with the tank attached. When told of the danger they usually reply that they forgot or they are too sick to remove the tank.......if your that sick.....why are you outside smoking!
    We had this problem for a while. Staff would allow smokers on oxygen to leave the ward and go out to smoke, taking their oxygen tanks along! Finally it got so bad that the administration flat out said that patients on oxygen would not be allowed by staff to go out to smoke and that we (security) were to enforce this strictly.

    The thing that bothered me about it is that if they'd blown themselves up, besides their, and other peoples, deaths you can just bet how fast the late patient's family would be suing - even when the family would take them out for the smoke. No common sense.

    It's like McDonalds coffee - gee ya think it's hot?

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  • aphilpot
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    Originally posted by LavianoTS386
    In NY it's illegal to smoke 50-feet from any building's enterance, which means if you want to smoke at the hospital you must use the designated smoking areas. That works when it's sunny and 72, but when it's raining it's difficult to enforce it. There have been times when patients on oxygen disconnect them selves from their tanks and proceed to smoke right outside the doors or will observe the smoking policy but leave their tank unguarded near the enterance, leaving unsuspecting smokers to light up when exiting the doors; unaware of any danger.

    Starting the first of next year there is to be no smoking on hospital property at all. Not in cars, parking lots, garages or any such place. That should be fun consittering there is only one of us on for two shifts and two guys on the 4-12.

    At least your patients dis-connect their oxygen. At our hospital we confront people almsot every day as they smoke in their wheelchairs with the tank attached. When told of the danger they usually reply that they forgot or they are too sick to remove the tank.......if your that sick.....why are you outside smoking!

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  • LavianoTS386
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    ^ I'm not really concerned with the reasons they give. They don't have to give me a reason why they were smoking where they were; I'm not their daddy. As long as they move where I ask them it's all okay.

    I try yo be polite to when asking somebody move. I never say, "You can't smoke there" or, "You have to move." Instead I make it about myself and my needs; "Ma'm, I'm sorry to bother you, but I need you to smoke across the way" or, "Now I'm not trying to bust your guys chops, but could I ask you to smoke over there?" (and point to direction) This has the effect of making the person feel less a need to defend themselves.

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  • IB107
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    i hate smokers for the reason they give you is "oh i didnt know i wasnt allowed to smoke here, but yet it is posted...."

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  • LavianoTS386
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    I think the reason the ICU gets mad at us when we enforce the smoking policy is because they rarely ever have to utilize us. Their patients never run away, most of the visitors are humble, they don't deal with drunks, or have outburst's like the Detox & ER. So when they see me yell at them for smoking they just think I'm picking on them. They have no past reason to appreciate security the way the rest of the hospital does.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by LavianoTS386
    ^ Exactly. One floor below the ICU is the OB/pediatrics center.
    Besides the fact if JHACO did an inspection (they know no hours) that would be a HUGE hit because of the OB center being right there

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  • LavianoTS386
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    ^ Exactly. One floor below the ICU is the OB/pediatrics center.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by LavianoTS386
    I just recently had a run in with one of the charge nurses in the ICU. (Past 9pm all the doors are locked with the exception of the ER). For weeks I've been finding rolls of tape or small pebbles near the door and been removing it everytime. One night I catch one of the ICU nurses propping open a secured door with medical tape. I told her that I needed her not to do it and she told me she was new and that the nurses told her it was okay to do. I resecured the door and thanked her for cooperating.

    So I called up the nursing supervisor and she wanted her name. I waited a short time for her to come in through the ER enterance, but when she didn't show I went back outside to see that someone was letting her inside from the same door I just re-secured!

    I went up to the ICU and the charge nurse told me nobody left his unit, which I knew was total B/S, because sitting at her station was the nurse I just spoke to. So I asked her infront of the guy, "were you just outside?" and she admitted she was. The charge nurse, after being made an ass of, then turns around and starts bitching to me about the smoking policy. "Rather than worry about stolen cars or real crap you worry about this crap?!"

    I contained my anger very well and just walked away. I told the N/S what he had done and made sure to take down every word he said in my log. Later after he got ripped a new one, it turns out he was the one telling the nurses it was okay to prop open secured doors and smoke, and that he was trying to cover it up when I went up there.
    This winner needs to realize that a propped door allows a hostile access to restricted areas, a baby-snatcher the ability to leave with a kidnapped infant, and all sorts of wonderful things.

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  • LavianoTS386
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    Originally posted by aka Bull
    I've had staff try and run or ignore me and have had to waste the time to chase them down and ID them, when all they had to do was put out the smoke and that's all that would have happened - all we have to get them to do.
    I just recently had a run in with one of the charge nurses in the ICU. (Past 9pm all the doors are locked with the exception of the ER). For weeks I've been finding rolls of tape or small pebbles near the door and been removing it everytime. One night I catch one of the ICU nurses propping open a secured door with medical tape. I told her that I needed her not to do it and she told me she was new and that the nurses told her it was okay to do. I resecured the door and thanked her for cooperating.

    So I called up the nursing supervisor and she wanted her name. I waited a short time for her to come in through the ER enterance, but when she didn't show I went back outside to see that someone was letting her inside from the same door I just re-secured!

    I went up to the ICU and the charge nurse told me nobody left his unit, which I knew was total B/S, because sitting at her station was the nurse I just spoke to. So I asked her infront of the guy, "were you just outside?" and she admitted she was. The charge nurse, after being made an ass of, then turns around and starts bitching to me about the smoking policy. "Rather than worry about stolen cars or real crap you worry about this crap?!"

    I contained my anger very well and just walked away. I told the N/S what he had done and made sure to take down every word he said in my log. Later after he got ripped a new one, it turns out he was the one telling the nurses it was okay to prop open secured doors and smoke, and that he was trying to cover it up when I went up there.

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  • aka Bull
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    A new law will go into effect this year (I think July 1) prohibiting smoking in any public buildings, with the exception of the casinos (can't interupt the money flow!).

    At our hospital smoking on the grounds has been prohibited since Feb 05. Staff, patients and visitors had to go to the park next to the hospital to smoke. Well the neighborhood association spent months whining and now staff are prohibited from going there. The solution for staff was for management to designate a place on the top floor of the parking garage for staff to go to smoke.

    The hospital is gong to build a covered area on the grounds outside for the use of patients and visitors.

    It's a pain enforcing the rules since many visitors and patients will just ignore us and we have no recourse against them. I've had staff try and run or ignore me and have had to waste the time to chase them down and ID them, when all they had to do was put out the smoke and that's all that would have happened - all we have to get them to do. Heck, I'm a smoker myself. None of us turn the staff in unless they deliberately try to run from us or give us their 2 cents in a rude and impolite way.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
    It is now illegal to smoke in any public building (to include any restraunt, bowling alley, bar, fireworks stand, etc... )
    ^^^^^^^^^

    You mean I can't smoke and by fireworks at the same time?????

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  • 1stWatch
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    You can smoke inside buildings in Texas? Jesus, we haven't been able to do that in probably 15 years. 2 years ago they made it illegal to smoke in bars and within 25' of a building where anyone works. About the only buildings you can smoke in now are tobacco shops and a hotel room (only the room, no elevators, hallways or lobbies).
    Some cities like Dallas and Fort Worth have banned smoking from public buildings and they're considered left wing commie cities by everybody else in Texas. We can still smoke in bars too.

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  • IB107
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    laws here 25 ft away from the buildings, not in buildings, except your private home. no hotel rooms etc ( as of 2007 no more smoking in bars/private clubs )

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    Everybody I work with would pitch a fit if it was illegal to smoke in a building. I don't smoke, so I really don't care about it. I also don't have to enforce such an ordinance, so again I don't care about it. Now, if they make drinking and driving while on duty illegal, I may be in trouble.
    You can smoke inside buildings in Texas? Jesus, we haven't been able to do that in probably 15 years. 2 years ago they made it illegal to smoke in bars and within 25' of a building where anyone works. About the only buildings you can smoke in now are tobacco shops and a hotel room (only the room, no elevators, hallways or lobbies).

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  • 1stWatch
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    Everybody I work with would pitch a fit if it was illegal to smoke in a building. I don't smoke, so I really don't care about it. I also don't have to enforce such an ordinance, so again I don't care about it. Now, if they make drinking and driving while on duty illegal, I may be in trouble.

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