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  • #16
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    From what I've been told, here in Minnesota you can leave your post (and people do) to arrest people. Usually its restricted to crime against person, or things that started on property.

    In Florida, of course, we all know what I'll say. Loss of license, possible criminal charges, etc for abandoning post while on duty AND for using force against someone other than to protect persons.
    Minnesota has liberal citizens arrest laws (and lots of other liberal things).
    I see it as a feature, not a flaw. (the liberal arrest laws, not the other things)
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    • #17
      Technically, in Florida, a non-licensed security person could chase a person they're authorized to arrest under common law to the state line.

      Its only the problem of 493 that makes it illegal to abandon post. There is no abandoning post law for non-licensed personnel.
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #18
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
        You've never arrested/detained/whatever someone on duty, or nobody has ever arrested you on duty?

        This implies you were arrested off the job, though.

        Forum, does anyone know if Oklahoma has a state required background screening for security personnel? I still remember when a convicted felon (armed robbery) applied at my old employer. The State of Florida completely MISSED his conviction, yet a PI background check found it. The state revoked his firearms and security license when it was forwarded to them.
        Sort of? I just recall filling out a questionare for CLEET and answering questions such as, "Have you ever been hospitalized for mental illnesses" or "Been convicted...blah blah blah?". I answered no (honestly) and well...I have my card.
        ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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        • #19
          Not as a security, and i never actually busted anyone, but, I was involved with 700million dollar cocaine seizure when I was with CDF. It was late in the season when we got a call about a barn fire. It was pretty much a total loss (the nearest station had already closed for the season) when we arrived. While mopping up I kept seeing a lot of glassware of the labratory type. I get the engineer and he looks at it. We look around some outlying building and see some gallon jugs full of some kind of liquid.

          Well the engineer calls in "we need an investigator" and it turns out he's "busy" he'll be out in a couple days. Failing to convince dispatch its important (and this was in 1984 pre cell phone days) we reluctantly leave the scene and drive to the nearest town and place a phone call. Back at the scene its not long before the sheriff shows up.

          Theres a u-haul van at the scene. The officer opens it up and its stuffed full of cocaine. He casually mentions the property owner is a gun nut. Great.

          Long story short, a couple illegals are arrested, the property owner is arrested but they never do get the people behind the operation (the property owner may or may not have known something was going but wasn't involved other than to rent out his barn) and no one serves time due to the illegal search, and the scene not being secure.

          I'm very happy they panicked when the barn caught fire and didn't stick around.

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          • #20
            Craig333 at least that "coke" didn't make it to the street. To the ringleaders, you were a pimple on the buttocks of their progress. I'm sure there was more where that came from. Best part of all, none of the good guys got hurt!
            Enjoy the day,
            Bill

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            • #21
              I once detained a suspect on suspicion of shoplifting. When recovering the merchandise which was found tucked in his wasteband, I also found 1 oz. of marijuana right next to it. He was arrested for theft and the dope. So that’s my big "drug bust" story.

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              • #22
                A pretty interesting thing happened long after the bust. A year later I was visited by some lawyers for one of the defendants. They interviewed me for about and hour and left. After they left I dug out my copy of the report I'd written for CDF and was pretty surprised to see I'd gotten a couple details wrong. I mean, I thought that was burned into my memory pretty well but I was wrong.

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                • #23
                  I've never busted anyone with drugs at my site but about once every 2 months or so I'll have an employee who refuses a drug screen because he know's he'll come up "hot" on my triage test. It's pretty easy to tell when I have one who is a druggie since I will hand them the sample cup and they will say something like "I can't pee right now. I just peeded a little while ago. Blah blah blah...".
                  They can refuse the test but doing so is about equal to self termination. They go home and get to see human resources the next day.
                  Hospital Security Officer

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                  • #24
                    6 kilos of coke, but I didn't actually find it or make the bust. I was following an out-of-state camper at about 1 AM on a county road when he swerved over the solid yellow line for a second time. I lit him up and was running wants when the backup unit arrived. This just happened to be a state drug K-9 unit and the dog alerted on the rear right wheel well. I think they said that 6 kilos is about 250 to 300,000 lines of coke.
                    "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                    "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                    "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                    "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
                      6 kilos of coke, but I didn't actually find it or make the bust. I was following an out-of-state camper at about 1 AM on a county road when he swerved over the solid yellow line for a second time. I lit him up and was running wants when the backup unit arrived. This just happened to be a state drug K-9 unit and the dog alerted on the rear right wheel well. I think they said that 6 kilos is about 250 to 300,000 lines of coke.
                      Funny how the value changes depending. That 700million figure was "street value" but wholesale was supposedly closer to 30million. Who knows.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by craig333 View Post
                        Funny how the value changes depending. That 700million figure was "street value" but wholesale was supposedly closer to 30million. Who knows.
                        SecTrainer was not referring to a street value but the amount of lines that can be cut up into lines to be inhaled through a straw or rolled up paper currency, hence the name "nose candy."
                        Enjoy the day,
                        Bill

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                        • #27
                          Once I told an employee he cant take his cigarettes out of the pack until he gets outside. That was my big drug bust.
                          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                          "The Curve" 1998

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by craig333 View Post
                            Funny how the value changes depending. That 700million figure was "street value" but wholesale was supposedly closer to 30million. Who knows.
                            Not sure what this is referencing? I don't remember if I actually heard a street value in my case - probably did, but I've forgotten. Anyway, I was talking about the total number of "lines", which would be equivalent to a "hit", of coke that were seized.
                            "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                            "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                            "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                            "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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                            • #29
                              Lines is an interesting way to measure it. Not too accurate though. A casual user might get many lines from a bag, where a heavy user makes one big one. I wasn't referencing anything specific, just making a casual observation.

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                              • #30
                                me personally I have somewhere between 40-50 drug arrests over the last 3 years for everything from marijuana to meth, probably half for sales/intent to distribute cases. For some reason I have yet to find any heroin...does it count if some dude tried to stab me with a syringe filled with heroin? haha. Most dollar amounts are unknown but it feels good when you bust a guy with a whole bunch of cocaine already individually packaged and just as a kicker a gun too. Makes me smile to get a POS off the street. Biggest though was probably busting a mexican fake id/meth selling operation. I have worked with a couple PHX pd special task forces/teams at some high risk properties and that is always fun.

                                oh and its not hanging on to their shirt tails when after working with us for the first time QRT was able to double their arrests over doing the same thing alone. I still have undercovers coming to visit me asking for information. fun to be treated as an equal.

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