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  • #16
    Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
    Best post I ever worked was plainclothes patrol un an unmarked vehicle of a college campus. A cop friend of mine had himself a little security company that I would pull a shift or two a week at. The college itself had uniformed guards, but this was great because there was no walk-up complaints because they didn't know you were security, no calls to take, etc. Just sit back and keep your eyes open.
    I know many who would argue that is not security, but actually private investigation. I know that in the State of Florida, and in the State of Wisconsin, you would need a PI license to do that, as you are engaging covert surveillance of the property, without the knowledge of the general public, and making reports of your surveillance to a third party (the client).

    I am unfamiliar with NY's private investigation laws, however, so it could be perfectly acceptable in your state to do such. I'm not quite sure what "visible deterrance" factor this would have, as you had stated before, the job of unarmed security is.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #17
      Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
      My duties were perfectly acceptable in NY. I technically could have done that job without a security license, if the employer opted for that option. The visible deterrance was being performed by the uniformed security officers that were employed by the college.
      Then why would a client pay for the vehicle on the property, the unarmed - non-uniformed guard? I'm missing something, obviously, but as a client, I see no up side to that. Its pure loss to me, I don't get anything out of it. I already have uniformed guards on my site. Why would I need you there to do their job?
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #18
        Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
        Because your uniformed guards were exactly that - uniformed and probably drove marked vehicles. Anyway, they were having a huge problem with larcenies from vehicles and they were sick of filing reports and wanted to catch the people doing it. If I were to see someone breaking into a vehicle, I was to notify a marked unit that would have apprehended the suspect while he was breaking into the vehicle.

        I agree that it was a waste of money, but they paid me to to do it (and well, I might add) so I don't really care.
        Ok, that, I can see. Be aware, though, that in most states, you would be considered a "private investigator," since you were in plain clothes and covertly watching, and investigating a criminal act against a client.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #19
          One time I was working a foot post at the mall I work at while they were doing inventory at victorias secret.. What a day!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          • #20
            Yeah! Aren't those great days!

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            • #21
              The post that I'm at now. The facility is spic-and-span, CCTV system is state-of-the-art, and the facility manager takes security and safety seriously. Also, everyone in security gets along with each other.
              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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              • #22
                Best Post or job:
                Working overnight at a Toyota dealership
                Every 3 hours make a complete tour of parking lot and showroom, and
                service bays. Rest of the time sit in the customer's lounge and
                watch a 54 inch television with cable. The client even encouraged
                us to watch tv as it kept us awake. He did check the next morning
                to see if you did your Detex tour
                http://www.laurel-and-hardy.com/ Greatest Comedy team ever!

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                • #23
                  I spent six months guarding a redundant Mental institution. Several of us lived on site in what used to be medical staff housing. We worked a four on four off shift alternating days and nights, however the staff who lived on site usually worked day shifts as they provided emergency backup for the night shift. Only one duty guard per shift, and not much to do apart from patrol the area and answer the gate alarm if someone arrived. The houses we used were set up with TV, and other furnishings. We had a pool, a gym, and even horses to ride if we wanted.
                  During the week various contractors would be let in to do maintenence, so a bit of work involved letting them in and out but apart from that no regular dutys or clocing in.
                  We had a few vehicles to use, an ATV four wheeler. A light pickup truck with a water tank and pump which had been the Instituton fire truck which we used as the back up response vehicle, and the regular patrol car (pictured)
                  It had been fitted with lights and siren for use as their rapid response unit for the guys in white coats when the place was running. Since 99% of the time there was no one but us driving around they were a bit redundant except to play with on boring nights. Handy as a deterrant every now and then to race around the perimeter and deter tresspassers.
                  Biggest plus, a good crew and no supervisors, which we didn't really appreciate until those two advantages changed for the worse.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                    It amuses me, because with every company I worked for, unless that was written into the contract, your supervisor would of:

                    Thrown your chicken away.

                    Spoke with the Churches Chicken employees about fraternization and bribery.
                    Had an Office Hours and counsel you about your taking gratuity from a non-client.
                    Recommended you be suspended without pay for three days.
                    Ouch. It don't work that way here in Texas. I've worked for (counts on fingers) 9 different security companies on and off, full and part time over the last 13 years (with much overlap with my LE career, worked security while I was in the academy, worked full time security while I was a reserve, worked a month for a company between cop jobs 4 years ago so forth and so on).

                    On every one of those jobs people (client and otherwise) gave us free stuff. No law against it.

                    Same in LE, as long as you're not activley giving people the benifit of your posistion (like fixing tickets or shielding them from prosectution), it's not illegal. Plenty of places offer police discounts, whether you're in uniform or not, whether you work in that city/county or not.

                    It seems that in the place(s) you are or have been it was very strict. It's just not how things work in Texas in my experiance..
                    Last edited by Black Caesar; 10-08-2006, 07:50 AM.
                    ~Black Caesar~
                    Corbier's Commandos

                    " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                    • #25
                      Best post I ever had. Broadcast.com back in 1998/9 in dallas when I worked for Wackenhut. Back when it was owned by Mark Cuban and his partner. Wackenhut got the contract after a guard with the previous company shot a whole through a door while playing with his firearm.......

                      Met lots of nice people, it was in Deep ellum (the groovy part of town) and Met mr Cuban. This was all before he sold Broadcast.com for a couple Billion to Yahoo and bouth the Dallas mavericks. Hated to leave it. But I left it to work on a Federal contract (I was a part time college police officer then too, couldn't do 3 jobs at a time).

                      The second best was indirectly related to the 1st. I worked a week at a construction site in North Dallas. The house was being built by a guy named Phillips who was a big wig at a First plus financial .

                      The house was a monster. Something like a 14 car garage on one side and a 5 car garage on the other. Both garages had FULL BATHROOMs.
                      A Guest house and a Servants house in Back that would get you 250k each by themselves.
                      A pool with an Ampitheater style dome over it. A walking trail around the house that was something like 1.5 kilometers. A basketball court. a wine seller. A couple million dollors worth of marble floors. A TV built in to a friggin wall. It was madness.

                      One day I'm working there and my orders are that NO ONE except people authroized by Mr Phillips gets to come on property after 6pm. no one did. But right at 6 a car pulls out, and out steps H. Ross Perot. He and another guy (I'm guessing bodyguard) take one look at the house, shake their heads in amazement, get back in the car and leave LOL. The House is located off of Inwood street and Delouche in North Dallas.

                      1st Plus financial Folded and mr. Phillips sold the house for something like 27 million dollars after it was completed.....To Mark Cuban...... he lives there still
                      ~Black Caesar~
                      Corbier's Commandos

                      " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                      • #26
                        Current Post..

                        Definately my current assignment to the mall I am at. THe one I came from was dead. We would only get customers during friday nd saturday night. The trouble people were kids just being obnoxious. The funds were super low and equipment was minimal.

                        Where as my current, I think I have run a deficit so big, and yet they continue to shell out the funds for the equipment I order, and do not give me alot of feedback in a negative nature. Sometimes they ask about it, I explain, then thats it.. Its nice to not have to explain why I need latant powder or more restraints.

                        The work is awesome, I dislike half the people I see daily, as they are violators, and the other half are merchants and the complying customers that are cool. I am always busy as ever, everyday has something new that happens, where someone does something insane. The gangs are persistant and continue to try to get in and muck things up, giving me and my people something to do all the time.

                        The local PD are big supporters, and almost all of their officers just rule! They never disclude us from anything going on, on our property. They call us for assistance on alot of occassions. The working relationship is just utopic!

                        My Corporate stays out of my business, unlike other malls they operate. They know that what is going on at my mall doesnt apply to other malls, so they just dont touch it as long as we continue doing what we have been doing.

                        The staff I have is just aces. These people are the ones I most proud of. I could spend forever on all the great things they do, how they operate, the standards of excellence, but I would tie up this post with too much, LOL!

                        The best part.. we are constantly evolving and advancing in alot of areas.. There is always something new to learn, to train, to do, and add to the list!
                        Deputy Sheriff

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                        • #27
                          I think that hotel security is a lot like mall security, hospital & school. I've been doing it since 1977 & I still get to deal with new things all the time!
                          I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                          Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Black Caesar
                            Best post I ever had. Broadcast.com back in 1998/9 in dallas when I worked for Wackenhut. Back when it was owned by Mark Cuban and his partner. Wackenhut got the contract after a guard with the previous company shot a whole through a door while playing with his firearm.......
                            Umm, sorry about that. I forgot to put the bullet back in my shirt pocket.

                            Regards,

                            Fife
                            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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