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  • N. A. Corbier
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    I was told they hired off duty police officers (Orange County Sheriff's Office) for Disney security.

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  • kingsman
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    Theoretically, we have full arrest powers under state law if we are on our employers property. Off the property, we are just an average citizen.

    I say theoretically, because it all depends on what the employer wants. Our company does not look for us to act as police. While I am armed, it is purely for my personal defense. If a renter calls and asks for help, we respond, but we also call the police immediately, and if possible, wait for their arrival. This is because they are the only backup I have.

    the contract I work has only two officers on duty, and one has to stay in the shack at all times. this makes it hard for me to get backup in patrol unless we call the police.

    I had a call from a tenant that someone had just discharged a firearm through her door, and luckily I had another armed officer with me that day. We responded, found the culprit, and ordered him off the property because he did not threaten us, and we had not seen him shoot the door. Because of the information we gave the police, he was apprehended within 10 minutes of leaving the property.

    Most security is there mainly to act as an extension of customer service, to act as a trained observer. Just ask the guys who work for Disney.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by schampcpp
    I have heard the scenario, and want to put in my two cents worth.
    I am a Public Safety Director of a private mall in Iowa (102 stores.)
    Our procedures are that we do not go into a store unless asked by the store.
    We do not apprehend shoplifters, we assist. If the store wants the person
    held for police, we will assist. if the person refuses to show us what they have in the bag, we allow them to leave the store.
    We then serve them with our Code of Conduct card. This means that they must
    leave the mall or we will escort them to the Squad room and trespass them.
    We have a little more power as we are a private mall, and Mall Management backs us up.
    This Code of Conduct is on all doors leading into the mall.
    If a store owner would yell at us to stop someone, we would and escort back to the store.
    We also do "Walk throughs" at the store request. We are not every store's L.P.
    W e will assist, not be the start of a stop.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

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  • ozsecuritychic
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    we have the enclosed lands act.if we tell someone to leave they have to or be charged and the police back us up on that straight away,most of the time they know the person that we have trouble with.we also have removal of premises notices that clearly state if the person is found to be on the clients property they will be charged with tresspassing.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    I wish we had a tresspassing law in Quebec
    I feel for you, Neil. I really do.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    I wish we had a tresspassing law in Quebec

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  • schampcpp
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    mall security

    I have heard the scenario, and want to put in my two cents worth.
    I am a Public Safety Director of a private mall in Iowa (102 stores.)
    Our procedures are that we do not go into a store unless asked by the store.
    We do not apprehend shoplifters, we assist. If the store wants the person
    held for police, we will assist. if the person refuses to show us what they have in the bag, we allow them to leave the store.
    We then serve them with our Code of Conduct card. This means that they must
    leave the mall or we will escort them to the Squad room and trespass them.
    We have a little more power as we are a private mall, and Mall Management backs us up.
    This Code of Conduct is on all doors leading into the mall.
    If a store owner would yell at us to stop someone, we would and escort back to the store.
    We also do "Walk throughs" at the store request. We are not every store's L.P.
    W e will assist, not be the start of a stop.

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  • ozsecuritychic
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    i had a shop call me on friday because they knew this lady had 2 shirts in her bag.the lady refused to show her bags so i was called she still refused to show her bags saying that only police officers can check them at that point i asked if the shopkeepers knew for sure that she had stolen items and they said definately so i called the police and they asked me to detain her.technically she was not detained until the police came in to see me she just thought she was.this lady tried to dump the items and a few from other shops and she was charged for all of the items.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    If you have someone who you want to search their bags, and they refuse, about all you can do is throw them out and ban them from returning.
    That's what I thought. It's even in the work place. If your work has a policy of your employment that you must let your bag be searched as you leave the building, legally you can not be searched or prevented from leaving if you refuse to show your bag. You can be fired however.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    On searches: When we enter private property, we can, not always do, grant consent to the property owner to search our person or belongings. However, in most states, the only thing you can do to someone who does not consent to a search is... order them to depart the property with the item you want searched.

    We were discussing this on SPE. Holding them for the police in most states because they refuse consent to search is most likely an illegal detention. This applies for "I want to search your bags" searches, not "I have probable cause to believe you are guilty of retail theft, and we are conducting a retail theft investigation. You are under arrest/detention, and you are not free to leave." (Florida Retail Theft statute allows detention for investigation with summoning of law enforcement to assist the RT investigation. The 5-steps are your PC.)

    If you have someone who you want to search their bags, and they refuse, about all you can do is throw them out and ban them from returning.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    I'm surprised at this! If they won't let you are you allowed to detain & even use force? In Canada you can not search without their permission.
    Nathan & others. Is he misinterpreting the law or is it really a fact that a merchand can FORCE you to allow you to search them? What can they do if you refuse?

    If it is true I am really surprised! I thought we were more liberal & we CAN NOT search someone without their permission. If you refuse to be searched we can ban you from entering but we can not use physical force or prevent you from leaving, it would be assault & worse.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by ozsecuritychic
    our laws.SECURITY AND THE CRIMES ACT.
    Any constable or other person may without warrant apprehend,
    any person in the act of committing,or immediately after having committed,an offence punishable,whether by indictment,or on summary conviction,under any act.
    any person who has committed a serious indictable offence for which the person has not been tried,

    And take the person and any property found upon the person,before an authourised justice to be dealt with according to law.

    we have to have the persons permission to search bags if they say no and we know they have something then we can detain them.
    In Canada a private citizen CAN NOT arrest for a summary conviction act only for indictable offences UNLESS he is the owner of the property OR HIS AGENT (US ), in which case he may arrest for ANY criminal code offence, indictable, summary conviction or mixed. We also must witness the act & must turn the person over to the police.

    (For our US friends - An indictable offences = a felony
    A summary conviction = mistomeanor (sp?)

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  • ozsecuritychic
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    our laws.SECURITY AND THE CRIMES ACT.
    Any constable or other person may without warrant apprehend,
    any person in the act of committing,or immediately after having committed,an offence punishable,whether by indictment,or on summary conviction,under any act.
    any person who has committed a serious indictable offence for which the person has not been tried,

    And take the person and any property found upon the person,before an authourised justice to be dealt with according to law.

    we have to have the persons permission to search bags if they say no and we know they have something then we can detain them.
    Last edited by ozsecuritychic; 05-21-2006, 11:11 PM.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Generally, in America, liability and actual powers are King.....
    N.A.'s first line is really the bottom line on this discussion. Until a law is passed making the plaintiff liable for all court costs and the defendant's legal expenses when losing a case, money-hungry lawyers will continue to take on cases that have little or no merit in hopes of forcing a settlement in their client's favor. Living in a 'sue-happy' country means that liability is a chief concern whenever a security company sets forth its policies.

    Another problem with civil juries is that they see themselves in the plaintiffs plight and may be sympathetic towards the plaintiff because they believe, right or wrong, that they could just as easily be the plaintiff and would want similar treatment by a jury in their case. That's why it can be so difficult to get liability insurance when starting a security company.

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  • darrell
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    Most malls are Private Property here which means the store owns the land, space or storefront at which they sell their articles. That allows them the right to stop, search all persons suspected of anything indecent.

    Retail fraud is the most common arrest for misdmeanors around here. Since you have to witness it then you can detain here. Our mall had a contract with the Sheriff's Department to handle such incidents.


    The Mall I worked for was a General Growth Property and we ranked 2nd in our companies region for retail fraud arrests with over 150 a year..

    99% of the time the apprenshions occured at the stores like Claire, or teeny bopper trinkets and trash jewelery stores.

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