Another black eye for us....

[SecTrainer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SecTrainer]

...and not only security, but cops as well...

http://tinyurl.com/saddleback-thefts

[5423 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 5423]

Great.

Hope he enjoys his stay in the Crossbar Hotel; may it be a long visit.

Wonder why he's an "ex-police officer"? Possibly malfeasance (just a WAG)?

Nice ear, by the way... with a matching mouse, too.

[jtwestern Member Find all posts View Profile Close jtwestern]

Sec,

Thanks for the link. I'm actually more interested to see the Church side of security and that link helps out.

[SecTrainer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SecTrainer]

Sec,

Thanks for the link. I'm actually more interested to see the Church side of security and that link helps out.

There is a growing interest in this area, JTW - for obvious reasons.

Have you seen this document from ASIS? Securing Houses of Worship

[jtwestern Member Find all posts View Profile Close jtwestern]

Sec,

Thanks. I did see it but glossed over it. It's interesting how the attitude regarding security in houses of worship differs from the rest of the industry. (Now...if I could just wear my Monks robe and pack an MP5K)...

[1945sigk31 Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1945sigk31]

I wonder what kind of background Saddalback had done on the ex-LAPD officer? Good Link to ASIS. House of worship security seems to be an area that isn't thought of. I've read estimates that the mindset is more than 20 years behind(acceptance of cameras, armed security, monetary safeguards in place, locked doors, etc. ) I am attending a House of worship security training session next month and look forward to seeing and hearing more about this topic.

[ptbeast Member Find all posts View Profile Close ptbeast]

Thanks for the link SecTrainer. I was just called by a church about training up a security staff for them. So, for me it is a timely read.

Dave

[Oryon Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Oryon]

"Thats one of those things you just dont do...its like punching a nun."
lol

I wonder how an ex-officer gets to the point where he feels he needs to steal from the church that trusts him with their assets. Maybe he shouldve attended their services. sounds like he needs it.

[Tom_Saxon Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tom_Saxon]

The thief likely was a drug addict. I'd be interested in information on his back round.

Seems to me, Houses of Worship should first contact a security consultant before doing anything else. I'll check the other thread before going off topic here.

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I like making bs assumptions with no information I'd be interested in information on his backGround.

Edited for accuracy

[Tom_Saxon Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tom_Saxon]

Edited for my own bs opinion of the post I quoted

By stating my assumption is BS, you are also stating that the opposite of what I am assuming is true: the thief is not a drug addict.

That is at least as BS as what I said. After all, former police who have worked security at a specific site wouldn't at all think it risky and desperate to steal from that site, and we all know drug addicts, when they rarely do commit crimes, almost never commit crimes that are risky or desperate. Because drug addiction actually lends its self to clear thinking, patient and well considered decisions.

[Sgt.Campbell Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sgt.Campbell]

As if LAPD didn't already have brown skidmarks on its reputation. What an ass.

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By stating my assumption is BS, you are also stating that the opposite of what I am assuming is true: the thief is not a drug addict.

That is at least as BS as what I said. After all, former police who have worked security at a specific site wouldn't at all think it risky and desperate to steal from that site, and we all know drug addicts, when they rarely do commit crimes, almost never commit crimes that are risky or desperate. Because drug addiction actually lends its self to clear thinking, patient and well considered decisions.

No, what I am stating is that you made an obviously uneducated assumption based on no fact. Not all thieves are druggies and not all druggies are thieves. The two are generally mutually exclusive. To insinuate, with no factual basis, that one is the cause or result of the other is purely idiotic.

[dla4079 Member Find all posts View Profile Close dla4079]

stealing is low, but stealing from a church??? that is the lowest of them all!!!!