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  • Duty gear setup.

    I'm using from passenger side back around my back to drivers side:
    4 OZ pepper spray, Glock 19 9mm, handcuffs in holster, nothing on my back in case I slip and land on my tail, souped up custom 300+ lumen 3c led Maglite,
    2 spare magazines vertical, asp angled toward my right hand.

    What is your favorite arrangement?
    Observe and report what you saw with a good flashlight.
    Bedtime at sunrise

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    I'll post my "new" duty rig, which is on order. My old one was identical, except replace the 92FS with a S&W .357 Magnum.

    From left belt buckle going counter-clockwise, as I am left handed:

    Bianchi Accumold Elite Duty Belt
    +
    Bianchi Accumold Inner Trouser Belt
    Belt Keeper
    Double Magazine Holder, Beretta 92FS
    Belt Keeper
    Cellular Telephone in case
    Belt Keeper
    Safariland SLS Holster for Beretta 92FS
    Belt Keeper
    Bianchi Accumold Elite Double Handcuff Case
    +
    Smith and Wesson Model 100 Handcuff x2
    Belt Keeper
    Bianchi Accumold Elite Pager Case
    +
    2 Pairs, Nitrle Gloves + Sanidex Wipes
    (Big Space to keep my back from breaking)
    Bianchi Accumold Elite Pager Case
    +
    CPR Microshield + Sanidex Wipes
    Bianchi Accumold Elite PR-24 Ring
    Bianchi Accumold Elite Stinger Holder, Closed Top
    Belt Keeper
    Portaclip for Motorola Radio
    Belt Keeper
    ASP Rotating 26" Sidebreak Scabbard
    +
    31" ASP Baton, Chrome
    Belt Keeper
    Bianchi Accumold Elite MK4 OC Aerosol Holder
    +
    MK4 Canister, Sabre Red H2O OC
    Belt Keeper
    Accumold Elite Double Magazine Holder, 92FS


    I have had people try to rip my belt off my pants, they get about 1 second to do it till I start politely asking them to stop using the minimum force required to gain compliance.

    I suggest that security officers switch to the water based OC, in case you pepper spray someone, PD arrives or your agency has Tasers, and someone else torches the guy due to flamable OC. I could see a lawyer suing the security officer and his company due to negligence (They knew PD had tasers, they didn't do due diligence in OC selection!)

    I also suggest that you not follow in my footsteps like Batman, and figure out what you need. I've been wearing it for years, so I'm sorta dependent on everything I carry. I carry 4 pairs of handcuffs and 4 mags because I can, not because I should. I've had situations where I've had to cuff up to four people before PD arrived, or worse, someone's so combative that nobody can get a cuff on, and we're all trying. I hate running out of cuffs.

    I carry 4 mags because some of the areas I've patrolled, the police have told me: "Carry extra mags, it'll be awhile before we get enough people to get there. Good luck."
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #3
      Ok im new to security but was a explorer for ever. Right now i wear a uncle mikes duty belt. I am in the process of getting bianchi and switching to all new equipment and i will post when i get it. From Right to left i have :

      Leatheman Blast
      Silent key holder
      Sure fire flashight
      Handcuff case
      D- Cell ring
      Glove case
      Cuff Case
      Radio Case
      Cell Phone
      Badge

      I wear a vest and also sometimes add a EMT puuch on there as i am an EMT. We can not use OC or baton at my current company that i work at but i am certified in Baton i will be getting certified for OC and Taser.
      Last edited by Arff312; 09-21-2005, 05:08 AM.
      Robert
      Here endith the lesson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arff312
        Ok im new to security but was a explorer for ever. Right now i wear a uncle mikes duty belt. I am in the process of getting bianchi and switching to all new equipment and i will post when i get it. From Right to left i have :

        Leatheman Blast
        Silent key holder
        Sure fire flashight
        Handcuff case
        D- Cell ring
        Glove case
        Cuff Case
        Radio Case
        Cell Phone
        Badge

        I wear a vest and also sometimes add a EMT puuch on there as i am an EMT. We can not use OC or baton at my current compnany that i work at but i am certified in OC, Baton and Taser.
        Who certified you with the Taser? (Agency or what?) So far, I know of very few companies who will even let their security officers touch tasers, because of the massive liablity of the citizen model Taser. (X26c's have a cycle time of 10 seconds, not 5, and two trigger pulls will turn the unit on for 30 seconds, not 5. They have no dataport for accountablity, either.)

        If you were certified as an explorer, I'd love to know the specific agency, model Taser you are certified with (M18/L, M26, X26, X26c), and if you were contact or probe stunned with the device as part of certification.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #5
          Ok i messed up i will be getting certified in taser and OC. I will be doing my training through a private training company. I have my OC class tomorrow. I am actually debating the taser because there is only one agency here that allows you to carry it in my county. Sorry for the mistyping. The taser i will be getting certified in is the x26 i believe but i am not 100 precent sure. Is it worth paying to ge tthe certification. Like i said i am new to security and not sure what will help in the future. I am currently certified on the baton.
          Robert
          Here endith the lesson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arff312
            Ok i messed up i will be getting certified in taser and OC. I will be doing my training through a private training company. I have my OC class tomorrow. I am actually debating the taser because there is only one agency here that allows you to carry it in my county. Sorry for the mistyping. The taser i will be getting certified in is the x26 i believe but i am not 100 precent sure. Is it worth paying to ge tthe certification. Like i said i am new to security and not sure what will help in the future. I am currently certified on the baton.
            Taser International will not allow private citizens access to the x26 Taser, as it is a Law Enforcement Weapon System. If your state allows civilian carry of the Taser, seek guidance with your security company. Remember, they dictate and are liable for what you carry and use. Most security companies will not allow officers to carry the X26c. My own state prohibits anyone but military or law enforcement to have an electric weapon - of any sort, but I was on an evaluation committee in Florida for the X26.

            Tasers are a good first strike patrol weapon for defusing violent encounters for private security. Unfournately, Taser sells civilian models to security, and restricts the less potent X26 with enhanced safety and tracking features to law enforcement only. While the X26c is good for "hit and run away," it will be a liability nightmere when your using it as a use of force option to stop criminal interference with your client property, as your subjecting the taser victim to a 10 or 30 second taser cycle, NOT 5 SECONDS.

            This, of course, is if you can find a company that will let you carry one. Most won't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

            If your referring to Citizen Taser Training, where a LE Taser instructor shows you how to work the weapon, lets you fire off a round or two, and then explains You, Taser, and The Law, then its negligable training. It is not the full X26 course that LE recieves. Having been Agency Certified as an X26 Operator and X26 Instructor, there is more to it than "turn on, point, shoot, run."
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #7
              Ok dont ask me how they got it but there is a compnany in my county (only one) that carrys tasers. And the do carry the x-26. There used to be another company that did but they stoped due to the liability. As i said i am not sure how they got to carry it as i dont work with them. My instructor told me about them. As far as the training goes if you get ti it is for the x-26 and does certify you for it from my under standing. I will try to look into it more for you.
              Robert
              Here endith the lesson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arff312
                Ok dont ask me how they got it but there is a compnany in my county (only one) that carrys tasers. And the do carry the x-26. There used to be another company that did but they stoped due to the liability. As i said i am not sure how they got to carry it as i dont work with them. My instructor told me about them. As far as the training goes if you get ti it is for the x-26 and does certify you for it from my under standing. I will try to look into it more for you.
                There was an outreach between Taser and the private security industry last year to provide "qualified contractors" with X26 LE models, 21 foot cartridges, and dataport readers. If the company had federal CCR contracts, or could prove that they had a good working relationship and sound character, Taser would "waiver" them and get them the LE devices and allow them to attend a LE Master Instructor Course.

                This seems to have changed this year, as Taser states since security companies are civilians, they are only authorized to purchase the X26c, 15 foot cartridges (No eXtended Penetrator rounds, etc), and recieve regular X26c 1-1 civilian training.

                Now, remember, there's absolutely nothing stopping a Taser Certified LE trainer from training non-sworn personnel. Its his certificate, they can't take that away unless he fails to recertify or improperly trains his students.

                I think they stopped giving X26s out because of all the liability flak. They're getting liability issues with the unit from "highly trained police officers." Now give one to a security guard with zero hours of training in anything. Johnny Cochrane will come back to life for that.
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • #9
                  Ok, because this interests me, I wrote Taser's investor relations ([email protected]), and asked them for clarification on their "law enforcement only" X26, and if any private security companies have been issued them, contrary to what a taser sales representative told our committee last year (They did a 180.)

                  Normally, I'd just call a sales rep and go, "Yo, can we have x26s?" But Wiscosnin makes that a little hard.
                  Some Kind of Commando Leader

                  "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                    When I wore a duty belt, I only carried 1 set of handcuffs, Stinger XT, latex glove case and a cell phone case. There wasn't a need for anything more.
                    What duty were you performing, and what training have you recieved in regards to empty hand defense, etc? Were you responsible for the protection of life, or the protection of property, only?

                    All these factors determine "need" in what duty gear is carried. I have never worked for a company that protects property only, and the concept somewhat interests me.
                    Some Kind of Commando Leader

                    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                      At the job I was speaking of in that post, it was a shopping center. I was primarily there for property protection. We would sometimes assist LPOs with apprehensions if the suspect was fighting, difficult, etc. but we were mainly visual deterrants and "trained observers."
                      Were you trained with handcuffs, and in apprehension, btw? Most stores have fits if a third party assists their employees, unless the store management has verification of your credentials.
                      Some Kind of Commando Leader

                      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                      • #12
                        cuffs, I.D. badge, o.c., cell phone, second pair of cuffs, pager, nextel, mall radio, gloves, key ring, and one last pair of cuffs (hinged), everything in black (more tactical that way)!!!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                          Ok, because this interests me, I wrote Taser's investor relations ([email protected]), and asked them for clarification on their "law enforcement only" X26, and if any private security companies have been issued them, contrary to what a taser sales representative told our committee last year (They did a 180.)

                          Normally, I'd just call a sales rep and go, "Yo, can we have x26s?" But Wiscosnin makes that a little hard.
                          Arrived in my inbox, from Taser International -
                          Originally posted by Taser International Email
                          Hello,

                          There was a program in the past that allowed private security agencies
                          to purchase Law Enforcement models. Such program does not exist any
                          longer and only sworn Law Enforcement can purchase the Law Enforcement
                          models. Private Security can purchase the M18, M18L and X26C. In regards
                          to your instructor question you will need to contact our training
                          Department at 1-800-978-2737 and ask for Training. Thank you and have a
                          great rest of the week !!

                          Jose Rojas
                          So, if Tasers are legal in your state for civilian carry, all you can buy of the new models in use is the X26c. The M series is somewhat effective, I've been told by LEOs and civilian users, however, it is not the light weight X series, and looks like your drawing a Glock 17.

                          I do not recommend the X26c for duty use, because of the long charge time, and the double trigger pull escape mode. This is a liability nightmere waiting to happen, as you may be held to the police standard for taser use.
                          Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 10-05-2005, 12:35 AM.
                          Some Kind of Commando Leader

                          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for the info. I am still not sure which model the 2 agencies taht carry them have. I am still wondering if i want to go through the training if i cant carry it where i work now. As a employeer would you want to see more certs even if they arent used by you ?
                            Robert
                            Here endith the lesson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arff312
                              Thanks for the info. I am still not sure which model the 2 agencies taht carry them have. I am still wondering if i want to go through the training if i cant carry it where i work now. As a employeer would you want to see more certs even if they arent used by you ?
                              Only if the comapnies carrying them aren't going to poison the market by misusing them. You'll still get that about pepper spray, batons, and everything else. All it takes is a few local or regional news stories about "Security Guard arrested for Taser Misuse" or something to make everyone start fearing your officers with a taser on their belt.

                              Another interesting thing I just noticed... Ever notice the AP will, when a security officer does something right, call them a "security officer," or "security professional," but when they screw up or look like they did, they call them a "security guard?" Semantics play a big part in our media today. Ask a FOP guy about that, when the local paper is attacking the police, he'll tell you ALL about it.
                              Some Kind of Commando Leader

                              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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