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    If any private guards and or inhouse uniformed companies are looking to unionize the F.O.P. will take you on. I just found this out the other day when I spoke to the Main Rep for Michigan at a Police Collector Show......

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    Last edited by darrell; 05-06-2006, 08:12 PM.
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    This statement in their membership requirements would prevent most security officers from joining, I would think:
    Any full-time, sworn law enforcement officer with arrest power who is employed by a government entity may become a member of the Fraternal Order of Police.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jackhole
      This statement in their membership requirements would prevent most security officers from joining, I would think:

      According to the lead rep for this state they will only take inhouse private security under their wing.
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      • #4
        I haven't heard of the FoP in CT. as being willing to even associate with propietary security forces. As pointed out by Jackhole they would be violating thier own charter. I'll have to check with some the reps around here and see if there's been a major change of heart.
        Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time-

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        • #5
          Originally posted by darrell
          According to the lead rep for this state they will only take inhouse private security under their wing.
          But in-house private security officers aren't law enforcement officers employed by a government agency.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by darrell
            According to the lead rep for this state they will only take inhouse private security under their wing.
            The Grand Lodge of the Faternal Order of Police has gone on record, repeatedly, stating that private security is a danger to public law enforcement, as well as private corrections, due to their inadequate training and their ability to take jobs from LEOs.

            Your state FOP rep may be branching out, but I'd want to see an official press release from the Grand Lodge of the FOP.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jackhole
              This statement in their membership requirements would prevent most security officers from joining, I would think:
              This is the same specific wording that is used in HR218 to prevent specials, private police, and other "non-governmental" police agencies from carrying. In other words, glorified security guards that some state gave some police powers to.
              Some Kind of Commando Leader

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              • #8
                I wrote an email to the National Secretary to see what the Grand Lodge's position on this is.
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

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                • #9
                  I'm "in-house". One of the reasons why is because we are NOT unionized. I know of a few in-house departments that were disbanded & replaced with contract people the day they joined a union
                  I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                  Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                    The Grand Lodge of the Faternal Order of Police has gone on record, repeatedly, stating that private security is a danger to public law enforcement, as well as private corrections, due to their inadequate training and their ability to take jobs from LEOs.

                    Your state FOP rep may be branching out, but I'd want to see an official press release from the Grand Lodge of the FOP.

                    I'm just telling you what our state rep told me last Saturday. He also said that the FOP has lost numerous departments because they are goging with larger stronger unions like Teamsters.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                      I'm "in-house". One of the reasons why is because we are NOT unionized. I know of a few in-house departments that were disbanded & replaced with contract people the day they joined a union
                      Holy illegal, Batman! Workers have the right to assemble.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by darrell
                        I'm just telling you what our state rep told me last Saturday. He also said that the FOP has lost numerous departments because they are goging with larger stronger unions like Teamsters.
                        Cops are joining the Teamsters now? WTF?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jackhole
                          Cops are joining the Teamsters now? WTF?

                          Yep as the Southern states Police Agencies started this trend 5 years ago as they started to unionize. Florida was the first to use teamsters.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jackhole
                            Holy illegal, Batman! Workers have the right to assemble.
                            Of course no one openly says that it was because they unionized. It's like McDonalds. 2 or 3 stores in downtown Montreal have unionized. They've closed within weeks. Apparently business suddenly got slow
                            I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                            Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jackhole
                              Cops are joining the Teamsters now? WTF?
                              Hell, up here, before they were making their own unions, the cops were Teamsters. We're talking 1980s here. One of the research things I did about "campus law enforcement" resulted in something hilarious.

                              Campus Safety Officers (Non-Sworn, state employed, not police) were part of the Teamster's local. A judge suddenly decided that since their job description was "enforcement of law and regulation" and "arrest of violators," that they needed to be armed police officers, not armed security guards. They were agents of the state, and therefore, were not a "private police," but a "public police."

                              Keep in mind that Wisconsin has the right to carry openly, and that back then, a security company was only registered with the Sheriff.

                              WI required certification for all LEOs, everyone immediately lost their jobs, as they were uncertifable - no college education, did not have the WI LE coursework, and couldn't pass the LE physical. The Teamsters went livid, and everyone was rushed through the police applicant process at high speed, and those who flunked were hired on at same pay as "Security Officers," while those who passed were hired on as "Police Officers."
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