Question about Campus Security

[Jackhole]

The civil service test I took was for the State University System. I've received letters from several of them asking if I am still interested and I'm waiting to get an interview. The interview I have lined up with Ithaca is completely different. I've been sending my resume just about everywhere.

I see. Thanks for the clarification, I was confused there for a minute.

[N. A. Corbier]

I agree with Nathan on this one! Except for the traffic functions I do the same in the hotels & I'm Security nothing less, nothing more. Oh & we also program, repair & administer the electronic locks. We also supervise the Mini Bar Attendant & Receiving Clerk. In the past we supervised the garage staff & Lifeguards.

I've done traffic, too. Both on public and private roads.

[darrell]

I dont know what NY College Security does but I can give a breif rundown of what I do at my school.

I am responsible for all safety/fire regulation inspections. I also write reports on any incident that I have to come in contact with, write parking citations, lock and unlock doors and deal with a lot of public on a daily basis.

I give directions, take accident and injury reports, I do vehicle lockouts and jumpstarts, escorts, standbys, paper service. God I can't think of everything that they have us do. We are medical first responders at our school as well.

We are union and we make good money and we are part of the State School System retirement.

[knotquiteawake]

While on duty we have the same powers of arrest as that of a Sworn Peace Officer. People can be charged if they do not obey our lawful orders.

[GCMC Security]

We also supervise the Mini Bar Attendant & Receiving Clerk.

Need any help supervising the Mini Bar

[Tennsix]

While on duty we have the same powers of arrest as that of a Sworn Peace Officer. People can be charged if they do not obey our lawful orders.

So, if what is your status? Earlier you said you are not security or peace officers?

[HotelSecurity]

While on duty we have the same powers of arrest as that of a Sworn Peace Officer. People can be charged if they do not obey our lawful orders.

Canadian Security Officers can enforce ANY criminal code offense they witness being broken on or in relation to the property they are being paid to protect. We are still "just security".

[HotelSecurity]

Need any help supervising the Mini Bar

I've fired 2 this past year. Do you want to be # 3?

[Lawson]

I'll be #4!

[knotquiteawake]

So, if what is your status? Earlier you said you are not security or peace officers?

Yeah, its like inbetween the two, we have more power than security officers and private persons but not all the powers of a peace officer.

From Section 830 of the California Penal Code:

The following persons are not peace officers but may exercise the powers of arrest of a peace officer as specified in Section 836 during the course and within the scope of their employment, if they successfully complete a course in the exercise of those powers pursuant to Section 832

Section b applies to me:

(b) Persons regularly employed as security officers for independent institutions of higher education, recognized under subdivision (b) of Section 66010 of the Education Code, if the institution has concluded a memorandum of understanding, permitting the exercise of that authority, with the sheriff or the chief of police within whose jurisdiction the institution lies.

The basics of 836 is:

(1) The officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a public offense in the officer's presence.
(2) The person arrested has committed a felony, although not in the officer's presence.
(3) The officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a felony, whether or not a felony, in fact, has been committed.

So our powers of arrest are greater than that of a private citizen, and we can also detain without making an arrest, something private citizens cannot do as well. If someone resists detainment they can be charged as well.

If it sounds confusing its because it is. On both the Sheriff's and our sides there is grey areas not dealt with by the law, such as searches.

[Tennsix]

Indiana

Indiana grants that same authority to all citizens.

Indiana Criminal Code 35-33-1-4
Any person
Sec. 4. (a) Any person may arrest any other person if:
(1) the other person committed a felony in his presence;
(2) a felony has been committed and he has probable cause to believe that the other person has committed that felony; or
(3) a misdemeanor involving a breach of peace is being committed in his presence and the arrest is necessary to prevent the continuance of the breach of peace.
(b) A person making an arrest under this section shall, as soon as practical, notify a law enforcement officer and deliver custody of the person arrested to a law enforcement officer.
(c) The law enforcement officer may process the arrested person as if the officer had arrested him. The officer who receives or processes a person arrested by another under this section is not liable for false arrest or false imprisonment.

[N. A. Corbier]

Indiana grants that same authority to all citizens.

Indiana Criminal Code 35-33-1-4
Any person
Sec. 4. (a) Any person may arrest any other person if:
(1) the other person committed a felony in his presence;
(2) a felony has been committed and he has probable cause to believe that the other person has committed that felony; or
(3) a misdemeanor involving a breach of peace is being committed in his presence and the arrest is necessary to prevent the continuance of the breach of peace.
(b) A person making an arrest under this section shall, as soon as practical, notify a law enforcement officer and deliver custody of the person arrested to a law enforcement officer.
(c) The law enforcement officer may process the arrested person as if the officer had arrested him. The officer who receives or processes a person arrested by another under this section is not liable for false arrest or false imprisonment.

This is the standard I found in case law. Felony in presence, Felony PC, breach of the peace in presence.

I can do everything that this "person who is not a peace officer but has their powers" may do. I don't understand the law, it sounds like its designed to... I don't know what.

What's CA's Private Arrest statute say? I don't have my copy of the BSIS Private Arrest Course handy, but I could of thought it said a person (Not just a Security Officer/Guard, anyone) may arrest for bop, felony in presence, and felony after determining PC.

Also, to totally derail this thread, who thinks that if your employees are going to be arresting people, they should have to learn law, rules of procedure, and the legal standard of determining probable cause? Including what elements are, etc.

[Tennsix]

Also, to totally derail this thread, who thinks that if your employees are going to be arresting people, they should have to learn law, rules of procedure, and the legal standard of determining probable cause? Including what elements are, etc.
I agree 100%

[N. A. Corbier]

Also, to totally derail this thread, who thinks that if your employees are going to be arresting people, they should have to learn law, rules of procedure, and the legal standard of determining probable cause? Including what elements are, etc.
I agree 100%

Thread rerailed. Now, where the heck do we get the training curriclium? Most states don't actually train security for security's sake. The Department of Consumer Protection regulates the security industry, and you get training to save clients from evil companies.

Look at Virginia and other states that the state's police training and standards commission control the security industry. You get a bunch of rules that mandate training, and a bunch of laws mandating quazi-police powers for security.

Look at Florida and other states that the state's consumer protection division regulates the security industry. You get a bunch of rules that are stopgap in nature (Security may only use amber lights, even though white is legal under the traffic code; licensed guards may only use force to protect people, never property; you may only carry a .38 revolver, even though off-duty you can carry a .50 caliber on your CCW) and a bunch of laws reducing the rights of citizens in that vocation (see above).

California, of course, is weird, and has special peace officer status for just about everyone from a park ranger to a campus security officer, even if they aren't peace officers commissioned in the name of the state.

[Tennsix]