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  • #46
    Originally posted by aka Bull
    Peruse the article here:

    http://www.ifpo.org/articlebank/death_by_homicide.html

    I think you'll find it surprising, I did.
    This has been posted to several law enforcement forums, and universally thrashed as "intrepretive" or "utter fiction."

    Does anyone know of any other data supporting the IFPO's position?
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #47
      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
      This has been posted to several law enforcement forums, and universally thrashed as "intrepretive" or "utter fiction."

      Does anyone know of any other data supporting the IFPO's position?

      N.A. - This is an area I have recently begun researching for data fon or use in discussing several points our officers want to discuss with our hospital leadership. While it is the first document I came across it has slowly lead me towards other information - one being this publication (in pdf) from the US Dept of Justice - Office of Justice Programs from a study pusblished in 1998 by the Bureau of Justice Statistics on Workplace Violence 1992-96.

      It primarily deals with non-fatal violence, but if you jump to page 7 of the pdf there are a couple of charts relating to homicides wherein the graphs show law enforcement personnel and security personnel among others. Security isn't far behind law enforcement by much.

      http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/wv96.pdf

      As I find more I'll post the links.

      I do believe in having as many views as I can find and trying to get a clear picture from them.

      Added To Post: I just read the Bureau of Labor Statistics report for 2004 for fatal occupational injuries.

      Homicides: Law Enforcement: 45 - Security Guards: 32
      Last edited by aka Bull; 05-22-2006, 04:51 PM. Reason: Added To Post
      "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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      • #48
        So, what we're seeing is that the IFPO is incorrect, and that law enforcement officers have a higher on-duty death rate than security officers? Or is the IFPO using a weighted average from the 1990s for these claims?

        Many people are using this IFPO document like Gospel. If its wrong, we're going to all look like damned fools.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #49
          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
          So, what we're seeing is that the IFPO is incorrect, and that law enforcement officers have a higher on-duty death rate than security officers? Or is the IFPO using a weighted average from the 1990s for these claims?

          Many people are using this IFPO document like Gospel. If its wrong, we're going to all look like damned fools.
          I agree - we will look like fools - making it even harder to improve the world of private security. That or we have to assume under reporting or incorrect categorization by the reporter for the information used by the BLS.

          There are more statistical reports on the BLS website that I haven't had time to review yet. Plus I want to see their data for non-fatal incidents like assaults etc.

          As I wade through more of them I'll post the highlights.
          "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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