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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    You mean like getting:
    - Assaulted
    - Shot
    - Run over
    - Disabled
    - Killed
    Like this?
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=715
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=718
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=730
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=721
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=360

    Even we in security face those very concerns. And from these articles, these security guards did not all work some "high-risk super SWAT sites" Just your "average" security guards.
    Last edited by Lawson; 05-13-2006, 11:01 PM.
    "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
    "The Curve" 1998

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
      Like this?
      http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=715
      http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=718
      http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=730
      http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=721
      http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...read.php?t=360

      Even we in security face those very concerns. And from these articles, these security guards did not all work some "high-risk super SWAT sites" Just your "average" security guards.
      At least when its a Super SWAT Site, we have the training, firepower, and armor to at least defend ourselves. The "average" security guard is a sitting duck. No armor. No weapons (Lethal or Otherwise). No Defensive Tactics training. Not even verbal judo. Just a cheap uniform, a cheap badge, and the abdomination to "run away" if something happens.

      You know what happens when you run? You get it in the back and die tired.
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
        .......Even we in security face those very concerns. And from these articles, these security guards did not all work some "high-risk super SWAT sites" Just your "average" security guards.
        Granted, there are plenty of s/o's who suffer the same fate. However, I believe such dangers, especially loss of life, are much more common for those in LE. Police officers usually patrol a greater area than security officers, conduct traffic stops on individuals who could be killers, and are regularly dispatched to violent domestic situations. You have unarmed security in this country, but rarely, if ever are the police unarmed. Why so? It's extremely dangerous work.
        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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        • #34
          I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
          -Lieutenant Commander Data
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mr. Security
            Granted, there are plenty of s/o's who suffer the same fate. However, I believe such dangers, especially loss of life, are much more common for those in LE. Police officers usually patrol a greater area than security officers, conduct traffic stops on individuals who could be killers, and are regularly dispatched to violent domestic situations. You have unarmed security in this country, but rarely, if ever are the police unarmed. Why so? It's extremely dangerous work.
            Uh oh...Please don't let Talon read this one

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            • #36
              Actually, I'd wager that the police are armed because they yelled for many years about being armed, always, and ensured that laws were enacted for them to be armed.

              Remember, a "Special Agent" of the FBI is armed. Why are they special? FBI agents were originally not armed. It took an FBI Director to create a special category and have Congress pass a law allowing that category to be armed.

              Our counterparts over the pond are not armed. Many police agencies that were armed were extensions of the military. Over here, their being armed is a truly American concept.
              Some Kind of Commando Leader

              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mr. Security
                Granted, there are plenty of s/o's who suffer the same fate. However, I believe such dangers, especially loss of life, are much more common for those in LE. Police officers usually patrol a greater area than security officers, conduct traffic stops on individuals who could be killers, and are regularly dispatched to violent domestic situations. You have unarmed security in this country, but rarely, if ever are the police unarmed. Why so? It's extremely dangerous work.
                I'm regulary dispatched to violent domestic situations, have Hells Angles check in as guests & have had mob killers staying in the hotels. I'm unarmed & usually work alone
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                  I'm regulary dispatched to violent domestic situations, have Hells Angles check in as guests & have had mob killers staying in the hotels. I'm unarmed & usually work alone
                  I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
                  -Lieutenant Commander Data
                  sigpic

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                  • #39
                    Tennsix, I hate to say it, but I saw no perceptional change after 9/11 in public opinion of security. It even got worse, with people going, "They're not real cops, who cares about them. Its the real cops who were the heros!"

                    To the tune that we never heard about a NY state proclimation relating to the deaths of many security officers in the WTC complex during 9/11. But nobody would shut up about NYPD. FDNY loses half their department, and they don't even get that much press.

                    It saddens me to thik that you need a media relations expert and a union to get your story out. Especially when it involved the initial effort to save lives.
                    Some Kind of Commando Leader

                    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                      .........
                      Our counterparts over the pond are not armed......
                      That's because their civilians are generally not armed to the teeth with guns like they are over here. If that changes, the Bobbies will eventually be armed just like their counterparts over here.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                        I'm regulary dispatched to violent domestic situations, have Hells Angles check in as guests & have had mob killers staying in the hotels. I'm unarmed & usually work alone
                        Get plenty of insurance.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #42
                          Of course not. If you took a survey about whether or not traffic laws are necessary, most individuals would readily agree that they are. Yet, many of these same individuals regularly run stop signs, speed, and drive aggressively. Basically, they agree that we need laws and enforcement, but not when it impacts them in an inconvenient way.
                          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mr. Security
                            Granted, there are plenty of s/o's who suffer the same fate. However, I believe such dangers, especially loss of life, are much more common for those in LE. Police officers usually patrol a greater area than security officers, conduct traffic stops on individuals who could be killers, and are regularly dispatched to violent domestic situations. You have unarmed security in this country, but rarely, if ever are the police unarmed. Why so? It's extremely dangerous work.
                            Peruse the article here:

                            http://www.ifpo.org/articlebank/death_by_homicide.html

                            I think you'll find it surprising, I did.
                            "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by aka Bull
                              Peruse the article here:

                              http://www.ifpo.org/articlebank/death_by_homicide.html

                              I think you'll find it surprising, I did.
                              Excellent article. I had no idea so many s/o's perished on 9/11, and I didn't realize that so many guards are killed yearly. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I'm going to be especially careful now. Hope my wife doesn't find out about this. She will want me to find a safer job.
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Mr. Security
                                Excellent article. I had no idea so many s/o's perished on 9/11, and I didn't realize that so many guards are killed yearly. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I'm going to be especially careful now. Hope my wife doesn't find out about this. She will want me to find a safer job.
                                I agree with you Mr. Security. aka Bull, thanks for bringing it to our attention. One more sad item to add to my guide.
                                Enjoy the day,
                                Bill

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