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  • IrishGuard
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    In The Beginning There Was........

    Securicor.

    I recall Securicor in the UK in the early 1960's when they recruited most of their security guards from ex or retired military and you could tell that from their dress and bearing.

    I have been reading the history of Securicor and it was interesting to note the following paragraph.

    Key to the company’s growing reputation for integrity was personnel screening. Applicants had to provide details of 20 years’ continuous employment or an employment history back to their school days, as well as supplying personal references and signing a statement to confirm the information. Induction and on-the-job training were also established, creating a recruitment and employee development policy that continues today.

    Times have changed and I note that the current international organisation does not have a good reputation in industrial relations with their security staff. A browse through the internet shows worldwide demontrations by these workers seeking better pay and conditions.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by histfan71
    When you are interviewing someone, do you ask if they are applying for jobs anywhere else? If it turns out that they are applying for a full-time police job, find out how far along they are in the process.

    If they just started testing, then you can figure it will take about 6 months before they are done with all the screening tests. If they have already successfully passed the background investigation, then you might want to think twice before hiring that applicant. With police departments in the US anyway, the medical exam is usually the last step in the process before being given a job offer.
    In this case she was set to go to The National Police School (all Quebec police must attend) in the fall. I expected her to work the summer. It just happened that there was an opening in the school a few days after I hired her

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    To the large contract security company, a LEO is nothing but liability.

    1. You are trained to intervene. Hundreds of hours of training to intervene. And a Contract Security Company is going to spend hundreds of hours of training to re-program you to observe and report only? Liability #1.

    2. You will leave. Your chosen profession pays better, has benefits, and "snags" its employees so that they never want to leave. You will leave. Liability #2.

    3. You're going to be opinionated as to how the company does things due to your training and experience. If the branch doesn't do things quite ethically or legally, and relies on the the... stupidity (plain and simple) of its employees, you are the most likely to detect it, document it, and report it. Liablity #3.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    As a person who hires people for a small department I tend to disagree. I happened to me this spring. I hired a Police Technology student. I gave her 40 hours of training & before she worked 1 shift she left to go work for a police force.
    It happened to me. When I left the College District almost 3 years ago, I knew I was probably going to go back at some point in the next year, but I wasn't sure.

    I went to several of the Security Companies I had worked for in the past. I left all of them in good standing. Companies like Wackenhut, American Commercial Security Services, and Barton (now Allied Barton I guess).

    I didn't even get a phone call back from these guys. I was like WTF till i spoke to a buddy of mine who had went through the same thing as I did (he was A Deputy Dallas Co. Constable, he left when his Constable lost the election because he didn't like the incoming Constable, he ended up working for another Constable in a different Precinct a few months later). We'd worked at Barton together and he'd gone there too looking for something to tide him over. He said the guy told him point blank that he'd not get the job because they knew he wouldn't stay.

    It's crazy Irony, it was easier for my buddy and me to get good security jobs (we also worked on a Fed contract together after Barton) before we became LEOs, but after it was hard as hell.......

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    As a person who hires people for a small department I tend to disagree. I happened to me this spring. I hired a Police Technology student. I gave her 40 hours of training & before she worked 1 shift she left to go work for a police force.
    When you are interviewing someone, do you ask if they are applying for jobs anywhere else? If it turns out that they are applying for a full-time police job, find out how far along they are in the process.

    If they just started testing, then you can figure it will take about 6 months before they are done with all the screening tests. If they have already successfully passed the background investigation, then you might want to think twice before hiring that applicant. With police departments in the US anyway, the medical exam is usually the last step in the process before being given a job offer.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Is this the one that got a job with the transit police?
    No, another one. The one that went to the transit police worked for us for over 2 years.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    As a person who hires people for a small department I tend to disagree. I happened to me this spring. I hired a Police Technology student. I gave her 40 hours of training & before she worked 1 shift she left to go work for a police force.
    Is this the one that got a job with the transit police?

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  • HotelSecurity
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    As a person who hires people for a small department I tend to disagree. I happened to me this spring. I hired a Police Technology student. I gave her 40 hours of training & before she worked 1 shift she left to go work for a police force.

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  • SD Security
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    I'm in a ... debate... with some housewife about how you should "always bring a resume" for a 5.15 service job, and how there's no such thing as "overqualified" for the position. This is on another forum.

    nyspo hit the nail on the head, right there. Securitas doesn't want to invest in you because your a... flight risk. You might get another SPO job, or get on with a municipal PD or something. And then they've wasted money on training someone. Its easier to get the kid off the street who isn't going anywhere for awhile, and hope he's trainable. He'll keep his mouth shut, his butt on the chair, and not have to be deprogrammed of any nonsense like "protecting people" or "failure to act liability."
    I agree there is no such thing as being overqualified, that just means you are too expensive.

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  • nyspo
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    [QUOTE=N. A. Corbier]I'm in a ... debate... with some housewife about how you should "always bring a resume" for a 5.15 service job, and how there's no such thing as "overqualified" for the position. This is on another forum.

    nyspo hit the nail on the head, right there. Securitas doesn't want to invest in you because your a... flight risk. You might get another SPO job, or get on with a municipal PD or something. And then they've wasted money on training someone. Its easier to get the kid off the street who isn't going anywhere for awhile, and hope he's trainable. He'll keep his mouth shut, his butt on the chair, and not have to be deprogrammed of any nonsense like "protecting people" or "failure to act liability."[/QUOTE

    thats the frustrating part i realy want to get into the security field.....granted i am also waitong to get in to LE i aslo took and waiting for results for the jailors test.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    I'm in a ... debate... with some housewife about how you should "always bring a resume" for a 5.15 service job, and how there's no such thing as "overqualified" for the position. This is on another forum.

    nyspo hit the nail on the head, right there. Securitas doesn't want to invest in you because your a... flight risk. You might get another SPO job, or get on with a municipal PD or something. And then they've wasted money on training someone. Its easier to get the kid off the street who isn't going anywhere for awhile, and hope he's trainable. He'll keep his mouth shut, his butt on the chair, and not have to be deprogrammed of any nonsense like "protecting people" or "failure to act liability."
    As someone who hires people I agree with this. Deprogramming people can be very frustrating! Again like I've mentioned before, hotel work takes hospitable people. A lot coming into hotels from other security jobs seem to have trouble adjusting.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    I'm in a ... debate... with some housewife about how you should "always bring a resume" for a 5.15 service job, and how there's no such thing as "overqualified" for the position. This is on another forum.

    nyspo hit the nail on the head, right there. Securitas doesn't want to invest in you because your a... flight risk. You might get another SPO job, or get on with a municipal PD or something. And then they've wasted money on training someone. Its easier to get the kid off the street who isn't going anywhere for awhile, and hope he's trainable. He'll keep his mouth shut, his butt on the chair, and not have to be deprogrammed of any nonsense like "protecting people" or "failure to act liability."

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  • nyspo
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Your profile states that you are or were a special police officer. If the Securitas position that you want is entry level, you may be over qualified.

    true he said he wants to make sure i get enough money to stay he does not want me to leave after a short time .....so it is just a waiting game for now

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by nyspo
    .... the recruiter ......i think he is blowing me off and i dont know why......
    Your profile states that you are or were a special police officer. If the Securitas position that you want is entry level, you may be over qualified.

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  • nyspo
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    Originally posted by Ten32
    That's not really an easy question to answer. I believe that securitas is actually the largest security company in the world. They own Burns, Pinkerton, and of course, Securitas. I have worked for them on large accounts, small accounts, and temporary assignments. Sometimes there were rules in place that made no sence at all, and sometimes thier guys were treated quite well.

    If you have some of the more "elite" experience under your belt (PSD, PPO, LE, etc.) they will probably treat you quite well. If you can find one of the government contracts that they have, you'll be quite happy with the pay, and firearms training. If it's a private account, and it's just stand around guard duty, I don't think you will be.

    thanks for the info....i applied to them and have been in comtact with the recruiter but they dont have any think right now........this has been going on for 2 months now i think he is blowing me off and i dont know why

    i have a great work record and i have some police experiance i live in a small town and off the books i have been doing alot of stuff for them for the last year....

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