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  • #46
    stinky.....

    We will first try to "eject" drunk/DK/ETOH persons if they are not asking to see a doctor. If they are not here to see a doctor, we eject them if they're able to walk. Otherwise, when they see a doctor, they will usually be placed on a "transportation hold." Once on a hold, if they become uncooperative or disruptive we will get called to restrain them to their bed. We do not need to stay with them while they are in restraints. If staff need the restraints removed or adjusted, they just call us. Luckilly, we have the benefit of being "in house" county security, so we can go hands on for any legitimate purpose.
    Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by K-9 Aussie
      Correct me if I am wrong, but would it not be against the law in the U.S. for a security officer to walk away and leave a drunk person in a shopping center knowing full well the threat that person has the potential to be to other members of the public and themselves? Not to mention the civil implications on the shopping center and the security company if the intoxicated person injured themselves or someone else?

      We have a "duty of care" over here where we must be seen to extend this to both the public and offender. If we know someone is drunk, and do not use a "resonable response" to maintain the safety to the public and the offender we face possible criminal and civil charges.

      I'm a bit lost when you've made the comment of "the police (who are trained to handle these situations) should be called. Mall security guards should not be handling drunks" tho. I've only ever found 3 types of drunks, those being:-

      1.) Happy drunks:- These just want to be your best friend
      2.) Sleepy drunks:- All they do is fall asleep
      3.) Aggressive drunks:- These types simply want to fight.

      I can't honestly see how the training of a Police Officer to a Security Officer can be any different when handling intoxicated people. I've yet to see any magical Police method over security methods that's for sure. Quite often I've found over the years, if you work in the area you live in and locals know you, the intoxicated person will responde better to security than the Police Officer they don't know.

      How often do security officers these days find themselves doing the hard work, only then handing the offender over to the Police to be what we call here "bagged and tagged"? Most of the times it's the security that is the front line and deals with the immediate situation and the Police simply process them.

      I think we can all agree on one thing tho, that being dealing with intoxicated persons is a real pain in the...... well you know where
      I am pretty sure this has been beaten to death, but wanted to reply to your response.. You are correct! You are correct on many levels. Security are the front lines, as we operate in a much smaller area, and know the layouts and routes better than anyone else, so we all end up with it in our hands first.

      For safety, you are correct with US law. Allowing a dangerous occurance to go without attempting to maintain safety of self, subject and others, holds security liable. Its been proven by so many court cases where somebody just stands by and watches it happen.

      PS: Dont forget about the drunks that we cant understand at all! LOL!

      And lastly, the training.. You are correct again. PPCT, OC, Firearms, Tazer, and other trade qualities of Police are shared with Security, by the very same training procedures. ArmorHolding Training Academy train Police, Sheriff's, State Troopers, Security, and other agencies in the same exact class room. When I recieved my instructor certifiation, I was in a class full of PD, and other LE's. I was shot in the face with the same OC that the PD officer next to me was shot with. I was expected to do the same exact thing and pass with the same passing scores as the PD officer in front and behind me. Same goes for PPCT. Trained by a national company, given to all and expected to pass with same results and standards. So, we all recieve the same training. Its law and department policy that control who does what and how. So, lets continue to share and learn!

      And it is a PIA to deal with them. Incooperative, smelly, funny acting individuals, who like to saturate your office chairs and vehicle back seats with urine. Ohh joy!
      Deputy Sheriff

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      • #48
        From a Colorado Springs Sworn LEO (Verified)

        In as far as I can tell no colorado statutes have been violated. Private security has a lot of the powers police have. Could they get hemmed up by their company if they get involved in a traffic accident en route to their destination....definetly.
        Kidnapping is-- by force or threat of force moving a person against their will from one point to another(significant distance is required) Moving an intoxicated person from one point to another with consent even in a diminished capacity is not kidnapping. You would also want to put color of authority into consideration of if a crime was committed. A security officer who is POST certified has the judgement to carry out his/her duty. If a drunk on the property has shown the propensity/inclination to commit a crime to the property they are assigned to protect, i see no problem with them offering a ride elsewhere matter of fact they are proactively doing thier job.
        I would have to go back to the DUI example. In Colorado we have expressed consent stating that as a driver on our roads you have already consented to a chemical test of your blood or breath. A refusal to submit to either will result in the loss of license for 1 year. submitting on your first DUI you lose you license for 3 months. I explain this to intoxicated persons all the time. By arresting them for DUI I have already determined they are legally intoxicated. I then ask them to consent to a chemical test. They usually submit to one or the other. Their consent in never in question. Now would a drunk be allowed to testify in a criminal trial no, would their signature on a contract be honored maybe. it all depends on the depth of the legal consquenses, if they do something while intoxicated. accepting a ride is no big deal.
        The above poster has been verified as a sworn officer of the Colorado Springs Police Department by SPEForums.com.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #49
          Impressive source!

          Well N.A., very impressive outsourcing for information! Not only am i impressed, but pleased to see some one other than me has taken enough interest to gather information.

          For a personal note on myself, and my department, I value what your PD Officer had to say. I am glad to see that this may be put to rest. I will admit, Colorado is a different colored bird to say the least. The laws are very pro security in this state.. similiar to California. I, just in case ever questioned, hold no interest in persuing LE type actions, persay, in my area of operation. My biggest concern is only within my property lines. As I have been charged with the duty and responsibility of a large shopping center, I am to do the best I can, in providing the safest atmosphere and security above common standards. Some o fthe skills we exercise, have been provided by LE in my area, and are greatly appreciated. I am no fool, and understand the governmental situation of staffing and resources. I feel for our LE partners here, as they are overtasked like mad with the crime in our community. If I could make some vote possible or even pay into a fund to help our LE get more of what they need to handle these issues, I certainly would. Many times I sit back and just wish there was more I could do in our community. So, as we are permitted to, I exercise every right we are given, and safely (cant forget that), and do what we can. As Mr. Aussie put it, "bagging and tagging", helps as we dont squander our greatest resource (LE) by tying them up for hours on end with issues, when so many others do.

          We do have our own substation in our mall, and I am assigned one PD officer, who is so overtasked, the guy is gonna have a stroke if he doesnt slow down. He is one of my best assets, as he partnerships with my department, and helps me ensure we dont go out of bounds, legally. Drunks and Vagrants, two lovely charactors we and PD see on a consistant level, as well as the gangs, that never go away. Strangely, they are attracted to a mall.. Go figure! I did want to add, I encourage as many as possible to work hand in hand with our locals, and sometimes we hold alot of great intellegence gathered from our operations that LE gains from.

          Now, its onto replacing the rear seat cusion in the car.. Eww!
          Deputy Sheriff

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