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  • #31
    Originally posted by Taser
    Uhhhh, right. Exactly my point. Is Batallian Chief a military rank? Do they have lance corporals and warrant officers?

    No.

    The comparison is not valid and has no basis.
    No. But they do have 1st and 2nd lieutenants in addition to captain. So I wouldn't say that the comparison is totally off base. The bottom line is that you prefer that security not use traditional military/LE rank, but I don't agree. You have your opinion and I have mine.
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mr. Security
      No. But they do have 1st and 2nd lieutenants in addition to captain. So I wouldn't say that the comparison is totally off base. The bottom line is that you prefer that security not use traditional military/LE rank, but I don't agree. You have your opinion and I have mine.
      I will cede that captian, first lieutenant, and second lieutenant are military ranks. But as I said before, look at the degrees of separation.

      Are we to say a bank has a police style ranking system because they have loan officers?

      I'm just sick of seeing captains and majors and colonels and apparently GENERALS in the security field. It's ridiculous...in my opinion.

      But be steadfast, Mr. Security. Stick with your opinions. Maybe your company's owner will see your determination and strong will and find those to be admirable qualities. Perhaps he'll promote you to Brigadier General. Or maybe Rear Admiral Upper Half.
      Last edited by Taser; 03-30-2006, 07:15 PM.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Taser
        .......
        But be steadfast, Mr. Security. Stick with your opinions. Maybe your company's owner will see your determination and strong will and find those to be admirable qualities. Perhaps he'll promote you to Brigadier General. Or maybe Rear Admiral Upper Half.
        Nah, maybe General Electric.
        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Taser
          I will cede that captian, first lieutenant, and second lieutenant are military ranks. But as I said before, look at the degrees of separation.

          Are we to say a bank has a police style ranking system because they have loan officers?

          I'm just sick of seeing captains and majors and colonels and apparently GENERALS in the security field. It's ridiculous...in my opinion.

          But be steadfast, Mr. Security. Stick with your opinions. Maybe your company's owner will see your determination and strong will and find those to be admirable qualities. Perhaps he'll promote you to Brigadier General. Or maybe Rear Admiral Upper Half.
          I never saw a general, but I heard about a 3-star with Weiser. They would send him directly from Lousiana to "problem branches" to fire everyone and wave the flag.

          The Unisys Corporation (This should show how old this story is) in Oldsmar, Florida was not impressed with their contractor sending a 3-star out to yell at the site officers. The idiot violated security protocols by hunting down the rover without escort, he did not have the proper DISCO clearance to roam around the facility, and he yelled at the client representative about how he was the commanding general of Weiser, and those guards answer to him.
          Some Kind of Commando Leader

          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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          • #35
            Whatever happened to the old ranking system I heard of?

            Guard -> Post Supervisor -> Patrol -> Field Supervisor -> Director -> Owner
            "We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 1stWatch
              Whatever happened to the old ranking system I heard of?

              Guard -> Post Supervisor -> Patrol -> Field Supervisor -> Director -> Owner
              Yeah, now that seems pretty reasonable.
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              • #37
                Rank

                Originally posted by Taser
                Yeah, now that seems pretty reasonable.
                How about Recruit, Buck Private, Private, Private 1st class, and stupervisor?
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #38
                  Our rank

                  Officer, Sr. Officer-3 (one for each shift) Operations cordinator-1.
                  Only way to get promoted is to have a Sr. Officer pot come open, take a 5 question test and have a group interview with the other "comand Officer" I was a Sr. Officer once, NEVER EVER again. not worth it!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Knight Watch
                    Officer, Sr. Officer-3 (one for each shift) Operations cordinator-1.
                    Only way to get promoted is to have a Sr. Officer pot come open, take a 5 question test and have a group interview with the other "comand Officer" I was a Sr. Officer once, NEVER EVER again. not worth it!
                    5-question test? You mean like:

                    - What is your name?
                    - Can you spell "All Secure"?
                    - What time does your shift start?
                    - What is the client's name?
                    - Why should you show up for work?

                    Sorry. I just don't know what came over me.
                    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                    • #40
                      I knew this one nationwide company, who was notorious for giving a step up in rank with each lousy nickel an hour raise. Some of them stopped at this post I was working(armed security at a convienience store); they thought they were something better in the security business than I was, because of that frivilious rank. I told them right back they wouldn't even make first cut to work for the company I worked for, or do the job I was doing. One even made a near fatal mistake one night; tried to butt in when I was dealing with a subject. Tried telling me I was wrong, I should leave the subject alone, I didn't know what I was talking about, blah, blah, blah, and tried to grab my arm from behind as he butted in. This resulted in him getting shoved back so hard he went bouncing on his keester! The perp then looked past me and told the "expert security captain" that the situation was none of his business, that I was talking to him, and that I was just doing my job! I settled the situation with my subject, and he left the property with no further incident. I then talked to that idiot I had to shove back, telling him I was ready to get him fired from his job(I personally knew his Director), have him thrown in jail, and have him barred from the property!! I simply informed the dumbass to stay away from that place when I was on duty.

                      About the only two ranks the public and the LE community readily recognize are Sergeant(3 stripes), and Captain(two gold bars). Mosquito wings, corporal stripes, major oak leaves or General stars only add confusion everywhere. The way I see it, you're either in charge, or you aren't.

                      Good luck in your supervisory position. Remember where you came from, when you have to deal with your charges, yet make them realize you have your job to do, too. And be prepared to catch hell from both ends.

                      Another word of advice; never give anyone who flagrantly violates company rules(drinking, drugs, etc.) a break, especially those who are "finger pointers" who do so to draw attention away from their problems. It will come up from behind you and smack you. Just do your job, and you'll be fine.

                      Also, keep your own notebook when dealing without problem individuals; log in dates, times, all the good stuff. Have something to back up what you may have to say later.

                      Good luck.
                      Never make a drummer mad; we beat things for a living!

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                      • #41
                        I read, a few minutes ago, one of the "Request for Proposal" documents that Allied Barton gives out to those who are wondering "how to contract guards."

                        It noted that there should be multiple ranks on each account, with multiple pay grades, because "higher ranking guards are more experienced, and a higher pay will attract higher quality guards." They were basically telling people to ask how many sergeants, how many captains, etc, were going to be assigned to their property, the rank of each person during each shift, etc.

                        Now I see where we get Site Captains. The client asks for them.
                        Some Kind of Commando Leader

                        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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