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  • #31
    Originally posted by Warren
    Don't forget that under most labour laws, you are not required to do a job if you feel that you are risking an injury. In many of these cases, it could be grevious bodily harm or death. (ie: mob mentality)
    Quebec has a very strict Workmen's Compensation law that allows a worker to refuse to do a task if he feels it is dangerous. However there is an exception if danger is part of the job. Eg. a fireman can not refuse to enter a burning building. I'd love to know what they think about Security Officers working alone.

    But in reality an hotel can survive without a formal security department (many in the Montreal area do). So refusing to do extra duties or dangerous calls would certainly cost us our jobs
    I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
    Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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    • #32
      We had a guard killed here (beat to death) a number of years ago. NOTHING changed here....well I shouldn't say nothing, the government implemented a new licensing program...that sure helped (sarcasm intended).

      Im working on a new association to lobby the government for changed to security.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by The_Mayor
        This weekend I was called to a fight between two male juvenilles approx. 16-17 YOA. There friends were gathered around and became hostile toward me for trying to break them up.. I called for LE back up. and tried unsuccesfully to physically separate the two. I used my mace brand pepper spray on one of the fighters emptying all 18 grams into his eyes and I gave him a little for his nose too. He got very angry and started pounding his fists on the hood of my patrol vehicle denting it quite impressively for someone in that much pain. . At this point the other fighter and his friends left and the angry's guys two friends assumed aggressive fighting stances toward me. I raised my empty mace can toward there face and this kept them at bay (they didn't know it was empty). They stood there trying to get me to fight them. And the angry guy continued slamming on the hood of my car. Shortly thereafter another SO arrived and they split.

        This situation has got me thinking for the whole weekend. One way I came up with to disperse angry combatants should this happen again is Bear Spray.


        check it out http://www.counterassault.com/

        It has 290 grams of pepper, the strongest around, a 9.5 second magnum fog burst. Sounds like it would do the trick to me. Suitable for humans and bears. My employer lets us choose our brand. Anyone have experience with Bear Spray?
        I dont try to physically separate i do two commands of stop or ill spray. then thats it i hose them down.
        "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by The_Mayor
          12403.5 CPC Possession by Private Patrol or Private Investigator
          A person holding a license as a private investigator or private patrol operator issued pursuant to Chapter 11 (commencing with section 7500 "Cal. Guard Card"), Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, or uniformed patrolmen employees of a private patrol operator, may purchase, possess, or transport any tear gas weapon , if it is used solely for defensive purposes in the course of activity for which the license was issued.

          It says any tear gas weapon!
          Does that mean you can carry a pepper ball gun? It sounds like that situation would have been ideal for one.
          "We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by 1stWatch
            Does that mean you can carry a pepper ball gun? It sounds like that situation would have been ideal for one.
            Or a tear gas grenade gun?
            10-8

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            • #36
              Seriously, I would love to get certified with the pepper ball gun. It would have been insanely useful in some situations I've been in.
              "We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."

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              • #37
                Mayor, have you recieved ur sabre in the mail yet? also have you had a chance to field test it ?
                "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bigdog
                  Mayor, have you recieved ur sabre in the mail yet? also have you had a chance to field test it ?
                  He thought you meant "saber." He tried to field test it and is serving 15-20 years now.
                  Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                  • #39
                    Yeah I got it, but I haven't field tested it. I am saving all of it for the next perp who needs some.

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                    • #40
                      Thats one of the most potent sprays on the market you only need a one second burst and they are done. Well,most of the time.
                      "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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