Do You Think This Is Grounds For Termination?

[mjw064]

In the District of Columbia, we have "Fighting Words" clauses built into assault charges. If the person who is assaulted used one of the "Fighting Words" the assaulter may not even be charged with a crime, although this is entirely at the discretion of the US Attorney's Office. ********* is a "Fighting Word."

[The Enforcer]

it would be bye bye to you...the fact that you don't seem to understand what you did is unacceptable confirms my original judgment[/QUOTE]

I understand that what I did may be considered unacceptable; I just don't think I did anything wrong.

[tuesdayred]

Wow

i work for a University..so we are on the cutting edge of acceptance and tolerance with policy in place to enforce it.

at the minimum you would have likely received a final written warning. the term "********" is considered derogatory and insulting. if you called a straight person something derogatory like "asshole" you would have gotten a written warning.

your lack of judgment would lead me to simply document you out of a job. if i as a supervisor cant trust you to understand what is acceptable in the workplace and what is not, how can i trust you to make even more important decisions when life and property are on the line?

it would be bye bye to you...the fact that you don't seem to understand what you did is unacceptable confirms my original judgment

[integrator97]

You can trust me when I say I have my reasons. That's all I have to say about that.

Don't ask, don't tell, eh?

[Blade Runner]

Maybe you should try to get to know some people with "alternative lifestyles." Who knows, maybe you have friends who are gay or closet crossdressers and you don't even know it. People who have "alternative lifestyles," don't always advertise, you know.

You can trust me when I say I have my reasons. That's all I have to say about that.

[integrator97]

Don't ever forget that you are an employee. You are security, not the owner.And regardless of how you feel, I'm willing to bet the owners don't care if the customers are purple cat eating multisexual 3 legged baboons from pluto, as long as they spend money. And people spending money is what assures you have a job, so you should feel the same way.

[Curtis Baillie]

Enforcer - I was happy to see you deleted the company you work for in your profile. Your postings certainly bring discredit to them.

[Johnny JJ]

ITo this I responded- "I don't want any faggots in the store anyway." This is my opinion because I feel that regardless of what people do in bed, it does not justify them to manifestly display their homosexuality. All should behave according to their sex for the society to run in an organized fashion. Plus, that guy had his priorities mixed up; he had a purse, yet at the same time he was wearing a beard (Butch, Fem)?

ha ha, holy christ, how you managed to keep your job after this is beyond me. I never figured security's job is to keep them faggots out because you don't like feminine men. Way to keep up standards buddy, 100%!

I would take your own insight into how to keep society organized and maybe behave like a civilized human being next time one of those faggots dares to not walk in wearing denim and cowboy boots while chewing tobacco.

I mean it's not even a question of "well I don't like gays they make me uncomfortable because they undermine my understanding of society for the following reasons:" which is totally understandable, but you went right into "GOD I DON'T NEED ************ MAH STORE WITH THEM PURSES SCARIN THE CHILLINS" and then wondered "uh why would anyone fire me for this" and claimed the lack of understanding you get is because dissenters come from relatively more liberal places than you

[CameraMan]

Look, in my and most others' opinions, you screwed up bad. But you appear to have gotten away with it, wich indicates luck and/or some pretty advanced weaseling abilities, and you came on here and asked for advice, which indicates maturity and willingness to listen, as well as some pretty advanced smarts.

Learn from your mistakes and you'll get far in security or any other field you choose to apply yourself.

[The Enforcer]

Personally, if you really need to ask our opinions about this despite the reactions you witnessed in regards to what you said...then you have absolutely no sense and do not need to be in this line of work. I also feel that if someone in this profession is going to make comments like this, not only should they be fired by their employer but, the state agency should mete out punishment as well such as revoking the security license after an investigation.

You may not have said it openly to the customer but, what if you had? An even bigger question is, showing how brazenly you said what you did to one of the other employees, would you have said it? I think you would have.

Even if that guy actually pissed me off, I would NEVER have called him a ******* in his face. As I stated earlier, that absolutely would be grounds for termination in my opinion. Whenever people call me names at work, I don't ever call them a name in return, but simply openly treat them with disrespect (laughing in their face, telling them to stop being ghetto). If someone tells me "I'll beat your ass," I don't throw a hissy fit but calmly tell them I'll beat theirs. I can get away with a lot on my post but clearly know my absolute limits.

[Curtis Baillie]

I'll give 'The Enforcer" credit where it's due. He asked for opinions and took everyone's comments without lashing out. Often when someone on these forums asks for an opinion of their actions and they don't hear want they wanted to hear, it becomes an ugly back and forth.

Most everyone who regularly posts here has expressed their opinion and the OP has received the feedback.

[Taktiq]

So what does everybody think? Do I deserve the boot or had justice been done?

Personally, if you really need to ask our opinions about this despite the reactions you witnessed in regards to what you said...then you have absolutely no sense and do not need to be in this line of work. I also feel that if someone in this profession is going to make comments like this, not only should they be fired by their employer but, the state agency should mete out punishment as well such as revoking the security license after an investigation.

You may not have said it openly to the customer but, what if you had? An even bigger question is, showing how brazenly you said what you did to one of the other employees, would you have said it? I think you would have.

[Yardstick]

Sorry, but you misunderstand the law. I am talking about "at-will" employers; it's even more restricted if there's a union contract.

ANY EMPLOYER CAN BE SUED FOR UNLAWFUL TERMINATION, whether you think they can be or not. In fact, almost all of the cases for unlawful termination are brought against "at-will" employers because there's a totally different legal procedure for an employee to address his grievance with respect to termination in violation of a union contract, which includes arbitration, etc. and is also under the jurisdiction of a different agency - the NLRB, not the EEOC.

Hey SecTrainer, thanks for the legal lesson

I had no idea.

[Security]

So are we.

I second that.

[talon]

I think you made a mistake that we've all made at one time or another in that you may have just gotten a little to comfortable around your client, learn from it and don't do it again.