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  • #16
    Originally posted by longgunner View Post
    Nauticus, in my previous post a I was going charge by charge. The ones marked "check" I agree with. The ones marked "quesionable" are just that questionable.
    Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

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    • #17
      I had to attend a shift meeting this morning and our shift supervisor was going down his list of things to discuss. He finally got to "Who hasn't gotten a badge for their uniform yet?". He saw that I didn't have a badge for my uniform shirt. "You've been here about a month now and you still haven't been issued a badge?" I told him that I had not but it was not a great burden on me not having one. Really, as big as I am the last thing I need is another piece of metal attached to my shirt. "Come on, boss," I said, "I'm already taking the change out of my pockets before getting on the elevators. I don't need something else weighing me down."

      Steve
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      • #18
        Originally posted by bigdog View Post
        Security Guard Faces Charges Again
        It's not the first time he's been investigated. Ansley lost his armed security guard license after a fatal shooting in Sanford in 2005.
        He was cleared in that case and said these charges should also be dropped.
        Whats up with losing your lethal weapon certification after being cleared in a fatal shooting??? That is the part that worries me. I am given $*it for pulling the taser where others will pull a gun, but apparently I am justified if you lose your cert. over actually using the gun legally. Only time the gun comes out of the holster is if I SEE a gun (or other extreme circumstance). Not a knife, not a bat, not a balled up fist.

        As far as the "impersonating police" part of the story, I guess there is no such thing as "impersonating licensed security", so they hit him with what they had.

        Weird charge, as others have pointed out. What about other security that is actually legitimate, wearing the same uniform, armed the same way. Why aren't they charged with the same withing?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by junkyarddog View Post
          Whats up with losing your lethal weapon certification after being cleared in a fatal shooting??? That is the part that worries me. I am given $*it for pulling the taser where others will pull a gun, but apparently I am justified if you lose your cert. over actually using the gun legally. Only time the gun comes out of the holster is if I SEE a gun (or other extreme circumstance). Not a knife, not a bat, not a balled up fist.

          As far as the "impersonating police" part of the story, I guess there is no such thing as "impersonating licensed security", so they hit him with what they had.

          Weird charge, as others have pointed out. What about other security that is actually legitimate, wearing the same uniform, armed the same way. Why aren't they charged with the same withing?

          Actually its a first degree misdemeanor to impersonate a licensed security officer in Florida.
          Last edited by bigdog; 05-10-2008, 06:20 AM.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tennsix View Post
            Badges are a emblem or authority, trust, and confidence. Aside from serving in a sworn capacity (FIRE, EMS, Police, etc), there really isn’t a legitimate reason to carry a badge, especially off-duty. I have nothing against the professional presentation of badges but it should be kept in context. I do not wear or flash a badge off-duty. The only reason to have a CCW badge or some other sort of novelty badge is to appear “official” thus giving the appearance of impersonation and/or false representation.

            Tell me that you aren't saying that wearing a security badge on duty is not appropriate.
            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
              Tell me that you aren't saying that wearing a security badge on duty is not appropriate.
              I didn't mean to imply that. Sorry, I could have worded that more clearly. I mean that a badge for stuff like CCW, HAM's, and cat herders serve no purpose. Why would a CCW need a badge? That is my point. Uniformed security officers fine, in my opinion.
              Last edited by Tennsix; 05-10-2008, 10:16 AM.
              I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tennsix View Post
                Nope, not at all.
                Thanks - I feel better now...
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
                  Thanks - I feel better now...
                  I edited that post.
                  I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tennsix View Post
                    I edited that post.
                    Yeah, I agree with that. I never carry a badge off duty because some guys will shoot a person that they believe is LE.
                    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                    • #25
                      Chapter 493 covers the topic in Florida!

                      In Florida;

                      493.6305 Uniforms, required wear; exceptions.--

                      (1) Class "D" licensees shall perform duties regulated under this chapter. a uniform which bears at least one patch or emblem visible at all times clearly identifying the employing agency. Upon resignation or termination of employment, a Class "D" licensee shall immediately return to the employer any uniform and any other equipment issued to her or him by the employer.

                      (2) Class "D" licensees may perform duties regulated under this chapter in nonuniform status on a limited special assignment basis, and only when duty circumstances or special requirements of the client necessitate such dress.

                      (3) Class "D" licensees who are also Class "G" licensees and who are performing limited, special assignment duties may carry their authorized firearm concealed in the conduct of such duties.

                      493.6124 Use of state seal; prohibited.--No person or licensee shall use any facsimile reproduction or pictorial portion of the Great Seal of the State of Florida on any badge, credentials, identification card, or other means of identification used in connection with any activities regulated under this chapter.

                      493.6118 Grounds for disciplinary action.--

                      (1) The following constitute grounds for which disciplinary action specified in subsection (2) may be taken by the department against any licensee, agency, or applicant regulated by this chapter, or any unlicensed person engaged in activities regulated under this chapter.

                      (a) Fraud or willful misrepresentation in applying for or obtaining a license.

                      (b) Use of any fictitious or assumed name by an agency unless the agency has department approval and qualifies under s. 865.09.

                      (c) Being found guilty of or entering a plea of guilty or no-lo contendere to, regardless of adjudication, or being convicted of a crime that directly relates to the business for which the license is held or sought. A plea of nolo contendere shall create a rebuttable presumption of guilt to the underlying criminal charges, and the department shall allow the individual being disciplined or denied an application for a license to present any mitigating circumstances surrounding his or her plea.

                      (d) A false statement by the licensee that any individual is or has been in his or her employ.

                      (e) A finding that the licensee or any employee is guilty of willful betrayal of a professional secret or any unauthorized release of information acquired as a result of activities regulated under this chapter.

                      (f) Proof that the applicant or licensee is guilty of fraud or deceit, or of negligence, incompetency, or misconduct, in the practice of the activities regulated under this chapter.

                      (g) Conducting activities regulated under this chapter without a license or with a revoked or suspended license.

                      (h) Failure of the licensee to maintain in full force and effect the commercial general liability insurance coverage required by s. 493.6110.



                      (i) Impersonating, or permitting or aiding and abetting an employee to impersonate, a law enforcement officer or an employee of the state, the United States, or any political subdivision thereof by identifying himself or herself as a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement officer or official representative, by wearing a uniform or presenting or displaying a badge or credentials that would cause a reasonable person to believe that he or she is a law enforcement officer or that he or she has official authority, by displaying any flashing or warning vehicular lights other than amber colored, or 50/50 amber/green by committing any act that is intended to falsely convey official status. Security Officers can not wear a five point star badge as this is reserved solely for sheriffs departments.

                      (j) Commission of an act of violence or the use of force on any person except in the lawful protection of one's self or another from physical harm.

                      Employing or contracting with any unlicensed or improperly licensed person or agency to conduct activities regulated under this chapter, or performing any act that assists, aids, or abets a person or business entity in engaging in unlicensed activity, when the licenser status was known or could have been ascertained by reasonable inquiry.

                      (o) Failure or refusal to cooperate with or refusal of access to an authorized representative of the department engaged in an official investigation pursuant to this chapter.

                      (p) Failure of any partner, principal corporate officer, or licensee to have his or her identification card in his or her possession while on duty.

                      (q) Failure of any licensee to have his or her license in his or her possession while on duty, as specified in s. 493.6111(1).

                      316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions.--

                      (1) No person shall drive or move or cause to be moved any vehicle or equipment upon any highway within this state with any lamp or device thereon showing or displaying a red or blue light visible from directly in front thereof except for certain vehicles hereinafter provided.


                      (2) It is expressly prohibited for any vehicle or equipment, except police vehicles, to show or display blue lights. However, vehicles owned, operated, or leased by the Department of Corrections may show or display blue lights when responding to emergencies.

                      Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or 50/50 display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or public property.

                      IN FLORIDA armed or unarmed Contract security guards/officers job is to "Observe and Report" security officers can use force to protect themselves and others and can make a citizens arrest like every other citizen, the only restriction on force is it can be used it to protect property & life.

                      Security officers are not law enforcement officers and are not granted any special police powers regarding arrest or use of force.

                      What exactly is a security officers citizen's arrest?
                      A citizen's arrest is when you, as someone who is not a duly sworn police officer, detains a person because you believe on reasonable grounds that the other person is committing or has just committed an offense (for example, theft, assault, criminal damage). If a subject is detained the security officer must immediately contact the police. Security officers can due a lite pat down of suspects to check for weapons how ever a through search must be done by a police officer.
                      Last edited by Nightowl; 05-12-2008, 10:36 PM.
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                      • #26
                        I hate to tell you that there are many areas in FL where security is more than Observe and Report. Go to just about any hospital, much more than Observe and Report, go to Tampa, check out CIS, where they do a great job in ridding housing areas and apartment complexes of undesirables. All much more then Observe and Report.

                        While security necessarily doesn't have police authority, it has many tools that it can use to accomplish the job.

                        Also with the new detention bill, a class G security officer, will be able to detain to a much greater ability than just a citizen's arrest, it also rewords the use of force statute to add that force can be used for any legal detention, as well as allows per statute for that security officer to perform a search of the person arrested as well as property for weapons. This is much more than your "lite pat down".
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bigdog View Post
                          Actually its a first degree misdemeanor to impersonate a licensed security officer in Florida.
                          Learn something everyday. Especially on this board.
                          formerly C&A

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gcmc security part 2 View Post
                            I hate to tell you that there are many areas in FL where security is more than Observe and Report. Go to just about any hospital, much more than Observe and Report, go to Tampa, check out CIS, where they do a great job in ridding housing areas and apartment complexes of undesirables. All much more then Observe and Report.

                            While security necessarily doesn't have police authority, it has many tools that it can use to accomplish the job.

                            Also with the new detention bill, a class G security officer, will be able to detain to a much greater ability than just a citizen's arrest, it also rewords the use of force statute to add that force can be used for any legal detention, as well as allows per statute for that security officer to perform a search of the person arrested as well as property for weapons. This is much more than your "lite pat down".
                            What do you do if you have to pat down a female??? Most agencies have to call for a back-up unit or a female officer to do the pat down..

                            Hospitals~ yeah their job is more phyical as they have to wrestle with the loons.
                            To Protect & Coddle the Public.
                            Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Nightowl View Post
                              What do you do if you have to pat down a female??? Most agencies have to call for a back-up unit or a female officer to do the pat down..

                              Hospitals~ yeah their job is more phyical as they have to wrestle with the loons.
                              I pat down females all the time. If possible, I do it on video. I've not had a problem yet.
                              I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Nightowl View Post
                                What do you do if you have to pat down a female??? Most agencies have to call for a back-up unit or a female officer to do the pat down..

                                Hospitals~ yeah their job is more phyical as they have to wrestle with the loons.
                                Have a witness, use the back of your hand, do what you have to do. I'm sorry, if I have a reason for arresting a female in the first place then I'm still patting her down some how. My safety is paramount.

                                Also, although many agencies PREFER you to call in a female unit it isn't always feasible. What about them small agencies that only have a couple female officers on staff and don't have one to call during a shift??
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