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Too bad, I saw the thread title hoping that there was a development to this.
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Originally posted by airtight security officer View Postat na sorry for reopening this
but does any one have pics of the los angeles fair police before they wehn with licoln and securitas
BTW I'm usually not tough on spelling, grammar & punctation but you suck
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Originally posted by histfan71 View PostThe California State Fair has the California State Fair Police Department. I know they have a small number of regular, full-time cops who work year round and they have a large number of "seasonal" cops who only work during the fair.
The Los Angeles County Fair used to have it's own police department also, but they got disbanded sometime in the 1980's. They now contract with Securitas (god help them). I know that during the fair the Pomona and La Verne Police Departments, within whose jurisdictions the fair lies, have a heavy uniformed presence along with Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies.
but does any one have pics of the los angeles fair police before they wehn with licoln and securitas
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Originally posted by histfan71The California State Fair has the California State Fair Police Department. I know they have a small number of regular, full-time cops who work year round and they have a large number of "seasonal" cops who only work during the fair.
The Los Angeles County Fair used to have it's own police department also, but they got disbanded sometime in the 1980's. They now contract with Securitas (god help them). I know that during the fair the Pomona and La Verne Police Departments, within whose jurisdictions the fair lies, have a heavy uniformed presence along with Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by N. A. CorbierUp here, fairs and stuff have their own police departments. (That's right, the Kenosha County Fair is protected by the Kenosha County Fair Police Department.
The Los Angeles County Fair used to have it's own police department also, but they got disbanded sometime in the 1980's. They now contract with Securitas (god help them). I know that during the fair the Pomona and La Verne Police Departments, within whose jurisdictions the fair lies, have a heavy uniformed presence along with Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies.
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USA Today, the Washington Post, Newsweek, etc. have all covered this, most likely after the FAS report. In these editorials and articles, they ask interesting questions, but aren't so quick to condem the industry as our local media is.
Why aren't these people trained?
Why are they allowed to protect public places such as malls and grocery stores and wal-marts without training?
Why aren't there background checks?
Why doesn't the state legislatures protect the public from inadequate training?
The big three, of course, were quoted saying, (paraphrased) "This is ludicrious. A guard watching a construction site dosen't need the same level of training as a guard watching a mall." The point he was making is obvious: We will resist any efforts to make training a requirement, as we'd have to train guards and it costs us money to do so.
I'm reading the FAS report right now.
Interesting how National Strategy (P.L. 107-56) notes that banking and finance, information technology, and large gathering places are all infrastructure sites.
Up here, fairs and stuff have their own police departments. (That's right, the Kenosha County Fair is protected by the Kenosha County Fair Police Department. No, I don't know how many officers it has. We have 100,000 residents. Local and County police also are deployed.) I'm unsure if they consider a "mall" as a large gathering place, though.Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 02-24-2006, 03:07 PM.
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I base my assumptions (federal regulation) on the events of the past and present. The United States will be attacked again. The next attack will most likely result in the loss of not 3000 lives, but 20,000-30,000. The terrorists (badguys)/threats that the U.S. faces in this post 9/11 era are patient, intelligent, and cunning.
When I left the Marine Corps in 1990 and entered law enforcement, you could not have convinced me that private security would be assuming traditional police roles (prisoner transport for local governments, courtroom security, transit police services, and an increase in the protection of critical infrastructure- and not just by the large corporations). Law enforcement will continue to give up additional roles, and our industry (as local governments are begining to realize) is a huge untapped resource. No, the change will not happen overnight. Yes, the states will fight the change. However, what other industry is there to take the torch?
Below are links to some interesting information:
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Guest repliedSEIU: Wilrobnson Does Not Make Enough
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Originally posted by histfan71
It is refreshing to see a security company owner who realizes the value of proper training.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by SgtUSMC8541I would love to see that but I don?t think it will happen.
Originally posted by SgtUSMC8541What I have been doing is bringing in the IFPO's CPO cert for my better sites. When an officer earns the CPO I have it built in the contract to get them a rasie as well as a billing increase.
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Originally posted by N. A. CorbierAs far as "Special Police Officers," are they considered by the police brotherhood to be brothers, or are they uppity security guards taking jobs away from real police officers? I know this sounds rather a "drastic" to put it, but in the mind of many police officers, anything that looks like a cop but isn't a municipal public officer is a wannabe who the ___________ in city/state/federal government made it so they can take real police jobs away.
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I can see that, and will eventually require CPO for all supervisory positions Sergeant and higher. The company will provide training materials, educational support, but as a condition of employment as a supervisory manager, you will be CPO certified. If not, highest you hit is Corporal.
As far as "Special Police Officers," are they considered by the police brotherhood to be brothers, or are they uppity security guards taking jobs away from real police officers? I know this sounds rather a "drastic" to put it, but in the mind of many police officers, anything that looks like a cop but isn't a municipal public officer is a wannabe who the ___________ in city/state/federal government made it so they can take real police jobs away.
Then again, there's always the infighting about "are private college cops real cops, are blah real cops, etc..." So I think folks like Tennsix know my point on that.
The industry does not want, and will fight very hard against, any mandatory training on state or federal level. They will state that the legislation places undue burdens on their operations (profit), that security guards are not required to be trained to perform observation duties, and that their in-house training system is above reproach for training guards to "observe and report." They will argue that protection is the provience of public law enforcement, not a private entity, and that additional training in such topics is not suggested or needed. They will cite instances where "trained guards" create liability by engaging in protective actions which draw lawsuits.
Many contracts place the guard there to protect property, not people, and those guards are there specifically for the purposes of observing incidents and reporting them to the client for insurance purposes. NOT to the police or anyone else. To the client.
If you read the thread about mall security and the officer who was robbed in his security vehicle, you'll see several points about protection vs. observation. I was thinking about how to protect malls from weapons. According to the powers that be in our industry, the actual protection of people in those malls is up to the police, who are called to restore order. The job of the security company observing that mall is to inform people of rules violations and ask them to comply, NOT protect people.
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Originally posted by Sierra 1I believe that we will see (within the next 3-5 years) the federal government stepping in and regulating the hiring and training of security personnel. The states have obviously failed (in their weak attempts) in improving the quality of personnel, and the image of our chosen profession. Every year law enforcement organizations are forced to give up their traditional duties and hand the torch to the private sector (Metro Miami, Raleigh-Durham,N.C.,etc.). This will continue due to the impact of 9/11.
What I have been doing is bringing in the IFPO's CPO cert for my better sites. When an officer earns the CPO I have it built in the contract to get them a rasie as well as a billing increase. Now this raises the level of officers. If they do not earn the CPO in the first 6 months then they get removed from the site. Over time I will have CPO's working at all my better sites.
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I believe that we will see (within the next 3-5 years) the federal government stepping in and regulating the hiring and training of security personnel. The states have obviously failed (in their weak attempts) in improving the quality of personnel, and the image of our chosen profession. Every year law enforcement organizations are forced to give up their traditional duties and hand the torch to the private sector (Metro Miami, Raleigh-Durham,N.C.,etc.). This will continue due to the impact of 9/11.
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