Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

SEIU: Boston Guards Do Not Make Enough

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • SgtUSMC8541
    replied
    My company has an office in Boston so I do have a very general idea of how Mass/Boston operates. Now Mass has no mandatory training for security officers.
    You pass a background? Cool, here?s a badge.
    You want to be an armed security officer? Great do you have a regular pistol permit? Great, here?s a badge and a holster.

    Now they do also have ?Special Police Officers? That requires some special training, 160 hours I think, that is regulated by the city. They do make much more per hour. They also are armed and have additional powers of arrest.

    So, if these people want to raise the pay of the regular security officers then the first thing they need to do is require mandatory training state regualtion to raise the bar.
    Last edited by SgtUSMC8541; 02-23-2006, 08:12 PM.

    Leave a comment:


  • N. A. Corbier
    replied
    I'll eventually join ASIS, when I can afford their dues and a CPP. But I knew that their playing the race card so early in this seemed strange to me.

    This isn't about "the poor blackguard." This is about the supernational conglomerates reducing liability and training so that they can hire any idiot off the street, suit them up, and put them to work for low pay, reaping large profit margins at the expense of the public, the client, and the country.

    Leave a comment:


  • Sierra 1
    replied
    Seiu

    If it is not obvious, SEIU is very anti-government contractor/company. I'm not sure of the source of the statistics they post, but they are incorrect. I am an ASIS member and will attempt to gather more accurate information. SEIU hates my employer with a passion, and all bargaining unit employees make more than $21.00 hr.

    Leave a comment:


  • Mr. Security
    replied
    SEIU: Boston Guards Do Not Make Enough

    What guard does?

    Leave a comment:


  • 1stWatch
    replied
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    You mean the "security guards are dangerous, useless, interfering with police operations, officious, and have no business dressing like us?"

    I'd love to know when the pissing match started. What decade.
    It seems to be a while back. I'm not quite sure, but it does seem to have a long history. There is a section of this article titled "struggling for safety and respect". That sheds a little bit of light on it.

    http://www.assisttexas.org/art74.shtml

    Leave a comment:


  • N. A. Corbier
    replied
    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    Organizations like that have been pretty unsuccessful in non-union states.
    I can only imagine what would happen if they tried to rally in Texas like they did in California. We would be subject to an increase of rash and negative media reporting, we would have more hostile encounters and pissing matches with our l.e. counterparts because of the garbage their associations tell them about us, and the rate of pay would eventually and steadily decline, not increase. I do remember when I started working the average pay for security was $6.50 per hour. I could not live with such a thing again.
    You mean the "security guards are dangerous, useless, interfering with police operations, officious, and have no business dressing like us?"

    I'd love to know when the pissing match started. What decade. Was it after the police unions started making gains in their image? I've been told there were decades when they were both equally derided as something only "incompetent foreigners" could do. Ie: the racism against Irish police in NY and other states. Have they come so far that they need to repeat what was done to them on an "upstart" industry?

    Leave a comment:


  • 1stWatch
    replied
    Organizations like that have been pretty unsuccessful in non-union states.
    I can only imagine what would happen if they tried to rally in Texas like they did in California. We would be subject to an increase of rash and negative media reporting, we would have more hostile encounters and pissing matches with our l.e. counterparts because of the garbage their associations tell them about us, and the rate of pay would eventually and steadily decline, not increase. I do remember when I started working the average pay for security was $6.50 per hour. I could not live with such a thing again.

    Leave a comment:


  • N. A. Corbier
    started a topic SEIU: Boston Guards Do Not Make Enough

    SEIU: Boston Guards Do Not Make Enough

    Link: http://business.bostonherald.com/bus...ticleid=126412

    The SEIU makes several interesting statements in this article.

    1) Nearly half of all security guards are African-American.
    2) Guards should be making double, $21.00 per hour.

    I have to wonder what the average Boston Police Officer makes, base pay. If the security guards make $21.00, the Boston Police union will most likely demand double since a guard makes so much "for doing so little."

    As far as the national race profile, I have seen no indicators about this. Perhaps a study in Security Management was done, for you ASIS members who have access to SM, that I haven't found. Anyone know where SEIU is getting this data from?

    The only union that I know that is AFL-CIO affiliated and specifically working with security companies is the "U. S. Department of Homeland Security Police Officer's Assocation," which I can't seem to figure out if its a police union, a security union, or both. There are many pictures of sworn officers on the pages, no idea if they're authorized or not, and several sign offs from companies like Akal Security, etc. I bring this up because from the "securitypolice.org" site, they note:

    "As a matter of law only legitimate security union recognized by the National Labor Relations Board ( NLRB) can file a petition with the NLRB to have a security union certified as a collective bargaining agent.

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security Officers Association is prepared to help you every step of the way in forming a legitimate security officers union giving you the protection under section 159, Title 29 of U.S. Labor Code. This provision, known more commonly as the "Guard Law," gives management the right to refuse workers' petitions to join a mix guard union if these unions represent members other than guards. "

    Is the SEIU considered a legitimate security union and therefore a collective barganing agent?

    Their site design makes their message hard to read, unfortunately. As I've said before, I'd rather deal with a union composed OF security officers, not a catch all union like SEIU who most likely has no idea what the hell their members are talking about. "Safety? You don't need that, you need more money."

    Of course, I come from a state where such protections for unions are met with "right to work," and summary termination without cause, as allowed by Florida Law.
    Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 02-22-2006, 10:29 PM.

Leaderboard

Collapse
Working...
X