Security Asks Woman to Remove "Hoodie"

[1stWatch]

Wilshire, UK:
A security guard at a local supermarket challenged a 58 year old teacher's assistant over a hooded coat she was wearing, referring to it as a "hoodie", a term used to describe hoodlums wearing hoods. The shop issued an apology for the incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/4735154.stm

[N. A. Corbier]

Wilshire, UK:
A security guard at a local supermarket challenged a 58 year old teacher's assistant over a hooded coat she was wearing, referring to it as a "hoodie", a term used to describe hoodlums wearing hoods. The shop issued an apology for the incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4735154.stm

Wonder if this guy got his policies wrong, being contract, or what? I noted that BBC reported many places ban them, but not the store he was working at.

[EMTGuard]

Just an FYI, hooded sweatshirts in the UK are called "jumpers." The term "hoodie" has a negative connotation over there, unlike here.

That explains it then. I was wondering what all the fuss was about. Here the term hoodie refers to the hooded sweatshirt and not a particular class of people. Both me and my better half have hoodies that we wear regularly and refer to them as such. We are definitely not thugs.

[N. A. Corbier]

Just an FYI, hooded sweatshirts in the UK are called "jumpers." The term "hoodie" has a negative connotation over there, unlike here.

Girlfriend looked that up on Wikipedia. Our term "hood rat" also seems to come from hoodie.

[N. A. Corbier]

That explains it then. I was wondering what all the fuss was about. Here the term hoodie refers to the hooded sweatshirt and not a particular class of people. Both me and my better half have hoodies that we wear regularly and refer to them as such. We are definitely not thugs.

I personally hate hoodies, they aren't stiff enough to keep the hood hem out of my eyes. But, there are better indicators to criminal activity than a hooded sweatshirt.

You know, like a hooded sweatshirt with right symmetry all through the person's clothing, showing color affiliation.

[1stWatch]

I find the photo of the little ole lady cringing and clutching her hood to be amusing.

[1stWatch]

This goes back to tact. People don't already don't like being told what to do, especially if you're younger than they are, so making personalized comments toward someone while in a uniform is uncalled for, whether you feel the person deserved it or not. Simple statements like please and thank you would have gotten the results he wanted. Even adding compliments while speaking to her would have turned his seemingly rude action into something else.

[N. A. Corbier]

Symmetry isn't what defines gang affiliation.

My local police department reports that Chicago gangs sometimes use symmetry to denote "folks" or "peoples" affilation, using one color. Laces tied to the right or left, bandanna to the right or left pocket, one pocket hanging out, cap aligned to one side, etc.

[soontobeLEO]

My local police department reports that Chicago gangs sometimes use symmetry to denote "folks" or "peoples" affilation, using one color. Laces tied to the right or left, bandanna to the right or left pocket, one pocket hanging out, cap aligned to one side, etc.

Yes, that is common among gangs all across the United States. They have their specific color, and wear clothing in a certain way on the side that denotes their nation.

Folk Nation group members use right identifiers to distinguish themselves from the People Nation groups. Right identification is displayed by the following:

Form their hand signs with the right hand.
Wearing articles of clothing to the right, such as caps, bandannas, and belt buckles.
Wearing jewelry to the right.
Rolling up the right pant leg.

People Nation groups use left identifiers. For example they:

Form their hand signs with the left hand.
Wear their hats cocked or tilted to the left.
Roll up the left pant leg.
May untie the left shoe.
They rest their hand in the left pocket.
Wear jewelry to the left.

One of the best places to go if you are interested in learning more is http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/index.html

[N. A. Corbier]

Yes, that is common among gangs all across the United States. They have their specific color, and wear clothing in a certain way on the side that denotes their nation.

Folk Nation group members use right identifiers to distinguish themselves from the People Nation groups. Right identification is displayed by the following:

Form their hand signs with the right hand.
Wearing articles of clothing to the right, such as caps, bandannas, and belt buckles.
Wearing jewelry to the right.
Rolling up the right pant leg.

People Nation groups use left identifiers. For example they:

Form their hand signs with the left hand.
Wear their hats cocked or tilted to the left.
Roll up the left pant leg.
May untie the left shoe.
They rest their hand in the left pocket.
Wear jewelry to the left.

One of the best places to go if you are interested in learning more is http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/index.html

Hey, I remember that site. Thanks. A Gang Specialist from Florida also gave me a few more links, like knowgangs.com, etc.

[wisconsinite]

Personally...I think gangs are the first element in American society and culture that led ultimately to crime. Gangs date back to even the 19th Century. If Uncle Sam ever gets tough enough to abolish them, crime would plummet. Anyhoo...i'm babbling.
Getting back the the U.K. "hoodie" innuendo. That's just another fine example of U.S. and U.K. english language differences. For example, if an Englishman asks an American if he can spare a fag, the American just might pop the Englishman in the mouth. LOL

[N. A. Corbier]

Personally...I think gangs are the first element in American society and culture that led ultimately to crime. Gangs date back to even the 19th Century. If Uncle Sam ever gets tough enough to abolish them, crime would plummet. Anyhoo...i'm babbling.
Getting back the the U.K. "hoodie" innuendo. That's just another fine example of U.S. and U.K. english language differences. For example, if an Englishman asks an American if he can spare a fag, the American just might pop the Englishman in the mouth. LOL

He might anyway. English cigarettes aren't the best smelling things in the world.

[ff000525]

Personally...I think gangs are the first element in American society and culture that led ultimately to crime. Gangs date back to even the 19th Century. If Uncle Sam ever gets tough enough to abolish them, crime would plummet. Anyhoo...i'm babbling.
Getting back the the U.K. "hoodie" innuendo. That's just another fine example of U.S. and U.K. english language differences. For example, if an Englishman asks an American if he can spare a fag, the American just might pop the Englishman in the mouth. LOL

It would be nice if the Federal Goverment could figure out a way to abolish gangs, but I don't know if that could be done legally (Freedom of Choice, Expression, Speech ect.) I do know that a lot of States have laws pertaining to gangs and gang violence, even WI. Certian acts such as homocide, rape ect. carry "riders" that make jail time longer if done in a group or for a gang. I know that Little Rock, AK also passed a lot of laws pertaining to gangs such as no hanging out in groups of more than four, gang signs are public disturbance, a crime committed by a gang member- in the presence of other gang members- is automatically tagged on each gang member present.

[N. A. Corbier]

I know in Florida that there is a "Criminal Street Gang" law that indicates that any group of 3 or more persons engaged in criminal activity are a gang.

[wisconsinite]

State governments are only responding to the effect of gangs, and not the cause, when they write criminal street gang laws with catchy phrases like "tags", "riders" or "special circumstances". When riots break out in cities, the police and/or National Guard sweep in wearing full riot gear armed with tear gas canisters, rubber bullets, batons, body armor, high-pressure water hoses, and any other non-lethal goodies to restore order. Our Founding Fathers were all Christians, and wrote our Constitution based on religion. They likely had no clue how their dear country would turn out. Maybe, just maybe, we need tough enforcement tactics. Tactics to go in with force, and neutralize them. But that's "unconstitutional", right? Perhaps our precious Constitution is outdated. Outdated by 230 years! "Hold on!", you say? "That's nothing short of tyranny, communism, and dictatorship!" What are the crime statistics in China, Sri Lanka, Cuba, Phillipines, Thailand? Lesser than America's statistics, that's for sure. Laws arent doing the job. The criminal element laughs at and disregards those so-called laws. And if law enforcement is lucky enough to catch and prosecute offenders, they get sent to a prison in America that's already grossly overcrowded.

On a footnote, how did this thread evolve from talking about a hooded sweatshirt in the U.K. to talking about gangs and stuff?