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    I am a former cop and trying to land a security job. Even with my experience most companies require me to obtain a guard card prior to appointment. This seems a little ridiculous, shouldn't my experience be enough?

  • #2
    Your post is vague,u may have been a cop for 1 day. We don't know.Yes it happens. But in Fla., You can submit copy of le certin lieu of training but still pay fees. I don't know your state, either.
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    • #3
      Even if a person was a cop only for one day, the training requirment one has to go through in order to become a cop far exceeds that of a security guard.

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      • #4
        I'm trying to help you, and it seems u are being argumentative. I went through the academy all but one class and had to still take the courses for Security. I don't know your state so check with the department that gives licenses. I told you what I know.

        And we prefer security Officer, in lieu of guard. LOL
        THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS WEBSITE/BLOG ARE MINE ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER.

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        • #5
          Whilst your LEO experience and training is invaluable, the Guard Card requires in the US sound like they are bringing everyone to a level playing field as there is 1 rule or everyone to keep it simple.

          In my state in Australia, the powers that be wished to reassess 47,000 private security officers AGAIN through new licencing requirements and to ensure the people with our licences all could spell, knew the laws, knew the new powers of arrest, were able to complete a notebook entry and were fit and proper people. Now these are not people earning $100 US per hour but the average Joe and Jill who are on average incomes. Even us vets of 20 + years had to go through it all and fork out more cash - but if it makes a better industry so be it.

          Look at it this way, once you get your GC out of the way, your true LEO training and experience will play an important part when the real work starts out in the field. Just like ripping a bandaid off - do it quick and it won't be too much of an issue in the months to follow.
          "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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          • #6
            State Security Licensing is mandatory in several states. Prior training is irrelevant, as you have not demonstrated to the state that you have the minimum training as a security guard to be allowed to guard persons or property in your state of employment.

            You will find that the training course, if your state even has one, is more about permissive training (A guard may do X) than operative training (how to conduct a traffic stop).

            Your training is largely irrelevant to the state, as it was law enforcement training, not physical security training.

            Also, you will find as you go through the minimum training that your law enforcement training will have to be rewired, simply because the trainer and training program may stress never do even think about the things that you've been taught to do, like defend yourself.
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #7
              I feel your pain Morris. It just seems like lots of states laws regarding security licensing are not well thought out. I could understand it if you were trying to get some kind of Security Manager license, you should have specific training for that, but for rank-in-file Officer/Guard? Hell No.

              My situation was different, I had been in Security before........

              10 years ago I let all my Security Certs lapse (I was a "level 4" certified security officer, that's about 50 hours of training, although you only need level 3 to work armed security, lvl 4 is the "Bodyguard" license) when I became a full time College Police Officer. Just didn't need em anymore, as an Active Peace Officer I was exempt from the Private Security Act even when working off duty security.

              Well, 6 years ago I left the College District to take a job with a Defense Contractor's Security Force, that Odyssey lasted 4 months before I went back to the College lol. No longer being a Peace Officer anymore I had to go through the whole week of Security Training to get a new level 3 license to carry a firearm as if I'd never been an Armed Security officer Before). The 720 hours of Police Academy Training (including more than 80 hours of firearms training NOT inclduing manditory weekend range time) didn't mean a damn thing either.

              The Security Course instructor even commented that there was no way in hell I should have had to take that class after previoulsy holding the same Security Certs AND Peace officer Training, but it was the law.

              Contrast that with the law concerning peace officers here.

              If you leave Law Enforcement (honorably of course), your license lapses 2 years to the day after you quit/leave/retire. If you want to reactivate it, you have to get current with your continuing education for the current cycle (this is 40 hours) and if you've been out for a long time, take the 2 week refresher course (and of course pass all the normal requirements, meaning the physical and psych from your new employer). Do all that and you get an endorsement to take the Peace Officer's test. You don't have to go back through a full Academy just to get your freaking State Peace Officers license back.

              But you do have to go back through the whole thing to get a "new" Security license.....

              It's crazy. WTF does the State of Texas think I'm going to forget about carrying a firearm as a S/O? The course I took 6 years ago was the exact same as the original S/O firearms course I took 12 years ago. It's not like I was being "updated" or anything..

              Makes me mad just thinking about it . Hell, my Security Certs have lapsed again since the 2nd S/O course, if I left the College Police again and wanted to be an Armed Private S/O now I'd have to take the same damn week of training all over again LOL.

              Madness....
              Last edited by Black Caesar; 03-22-2008, 07:21 AM.
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              • #8
                If one allows a driver's license to expire, they may have to take the written and driving portions again before receiving a new license. The state isn't interested in the fact that you have been driving for over a decade. You are classified with student drivers. It's just one of those things.
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #9
                  A Security Officer's license/Commission is a professional license, compare it to other professional licenses, not DLs. (I'll of course use Texas practices since I'm in Texas)

                  --My wife is a Nurse. If for some reason here license goes on inactive status (other than being revoked for cause), she has to do the same things a peace officer does ie get current with her continuing education and than retake the nurse licensing exam and the practical skills test. She wouldn't have to go back through nursing school.

                  Texas Nurse Licensing facts

                  --Doctors who want to take their licenses off of Retired Status (there is no inactive Status in Texas per se) need on right a letter to the Texas Medical Board asking to be reactivated and provide proof state that they haven't been practicing medicine since they retired (there is the "Voluntary Charity Care" exemption to this however)

                  Texas Medical Board procedures

                  --Lawyers who go inactive and want to reactive simply have to:

                  *Provide a statement certifying that he/she has not practiced law in Texas during the fiscal period or periods he/she was an inactive member

                  And

                  *Pay the membership fee and occupation tax due for the current fiscal period. (This does not apply to members joining the State Bar for the first time).

                  Texas Bar Association

                  --Same theme goes for EMTs Texas Dept. of Health Services

                  --And I've already mentioned the Peace Officer license reactivation process.

                  In Addition to all that, the above professions have provisions for out of state transfers. For example, you don't even have to go to a full police academy if you are a peace officer from out of State, just take the specified brief Texas procedures course and challenge the Test. A Georgia Lawyers doesn't have to go to Law School again to enter the Texas Bar ect ect.

                  But out of State S/O licenses mean ZIP here. You gotta take the Texas course, period.

                  What in the holy blue blazes is so special about the Security Officer's licenses that makes someone have to go through the ENTIRE BLOODY CLASS again and again lol, when the other (MUCH more skill and training intensive) professions don't have to?

                  Having been exposed to both Peace Officer and S/O training (hell, S/O training TWICE so far), I still don't understand why Cops can't get a S/O license exemption like they do in some other states. The hardest thing about Texas S/O training is staying awake through the videos that all say the same thing (observe and report, observe and report LOL).
                  Last edited by Black Caesar; 03-22-2008, 09:10 AM.
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                  • #10
                    LOL but the truth is they want observe, respond and report.

                    It appears it's mainly about giving the state money. I received my license in 96,and haven't worked but probably 6 months of security since 2000
                    So I paud money and shoot yearly and keep my license.LOL
                    THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS WEBSITE/BLOG ARE MINE ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
                      A Security Officer's license/Commission is a professional license, compare it to other professional licenses, not DLs. (I'll of course use Texas practices since I'm in Texas)......
                      Fine. Commercial driver's license. That's a professional license and guess what? The analogy still fits.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #12
                        Different rules and regulations. You need to learn what applies to security. Theres some overlap with your LEO training but theres some significant differences too. Security is largely reactive as opposed to being proactive.

                        Maybe you could have a shortened version for law enforcement. You certainly don't need the mace, baton, gun training. But you do need to realize the circumstances you can deploy such may not be the same.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by craig333 View Post
                          Different rules and regulations. You need to learn what applies to security. Theres some overlap with your LEO training but theres some significant differences too. Security is largely reactive as opposed to being proactive.

                          Maybe you could have a shortened version for law enforcement. You certainly don't need the mace, baton, gun training. But you do need to realize the circumstances you can deploy such may not be the same.
                          Do you mean Security is largely proactive as opposed to being reactive?

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                          • #14
                            I knew that'd come back. Both really. We're proactive in the sense that we're supposed to be a highly visible deterrent. Reactive in the sense that we can't take action until a crime has been committed. For instance. You see a guy that looks suspicious. Law enforcement can go check him out. We have to wait until something happens.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by craig333 View Post
                              I knew that'd come back. Both really. We're proactive in the sense that we're supposed to be a highly visible deterrent. Reactive in the sense that we can't take action until a crime has been committed. For instance. You see a guy that looks suspicious. Law enforcement can go check him out. We have to wait until something happens.
                              I agree to an extent. But if someone is suspicious security will notice and make soft contact, "Hello, is there anything I can help you with?" Which is a proactive measure. Police will be called for suspicious activity or after something happens, which is reactive.

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