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  • DMS 525
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    Nothing in our state statutes governed what kind of ammo we could carry. Sometimes company/corporate policies dictate ammo regulations. What I always did was kept abreast of what the local LE agencies used, and went from there. JHP are usually the best for all around use.

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  • gixxer32404
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    Originally posted by rentalcop View Post
    .... I only get 3 D-cell batteries to throw at someone.
    lol wouldn't have admitted that.

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  • rentalcop
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    .... I only get 3 D-cell batteries to throw at someone.

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  • ok47s
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    Originally posted by CAPTAIN KOOLAID View Post
    I believe this be cover before if not. You should go with Jhp.
    From a legal stand point FMJ will get you into a lawsuit in civil court. FMJs will over penetrate your target and hit innocent bystanders fellow officer.
    FMJ has a smaller wound track then a JHP so that mean you have shoot the target a few more times get same amount blood lost as a JHP.

    Hope this help make up your mind.
    I agree,NYPD used to carry FMJ when they first got Glocks ,more humane don't you know Just ask NYPD about all the fun the politically correct city officials had paying out millions in taxpayer dollars to settle an uncountable number of lawsuits due to NYPD FMJ ammo going through Bg's and striking innocent parties.They now carry JHP's.

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  • grenadier
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    duty ammo

    We use Federally approved (required) Federal Hydrashocks in .40 on duty.
    to practice ieither use reloads or the cheapest stuff I can find ,our Company does not provide practice ammo. some former employers did. Federal can be had at most retail outlets that sell ammo.

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  • gixxer32404
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    ok one person said carry what company specifies, but I've been out of work awhile. And already spent 900.00 + but that's all good and dandy but the company is not the one paying for it.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    As LiveNLearn noted, there is no such thing as "Law Enforcement Restricted" ammunition. There is:

    Ammunition restricted from private possession by Federal Law (AP, etc)
    Ammunition restricted from private possession by State Law (.50 BMG in CA)
    Ammunition that is perfectly legal for you to purchase/possess.

    Winchester Ranger XHT or whatever they're calling it these days is a perfect example. There is nothing illegal about this round at the federal level. I have no idea of IL, CA, NY or some state banned it.

    But, if you walk into a gun store, the manufacturer has requested that it only be sold "to law enforcement only." The gun store does not have to honor this request.

    Some stores will use this as an excuse to jack the price up, especially with security personnel. "Oh, this is for LE only, but we sell it to guards too. That'll be 30 dollars a box, please."

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  • LiveNlearn
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    couple things, speer gold dots can be found online at a number of sources, that might be a good place to look.

    LE ammo is a manufaturer (sp) restriction in most states so you should be able to buy it at some place with a security ID card or as another person mentioned a company letterhead.

    Next thing, as a glock armorer I would suggest you not use the Ficcochi (sp) ammo in your gun. The pressures that ammo is loaded to occationally is dangerously high to be shooting through a glock barrel. Most of the time you will not have any issues but the one time you do may be the time that you really need that shooter to run correctly.

    Lastly, again on the ammo selection, for personal protection a high quality hollow-point bullet packed into good brass with quality powder should be the only way to go. The liability attached to a shoot through with crappy hollowpoints or FJM is to great, especially for a security officer.

    Think about it, you shoot someone, you go under the microscope big time. You can expect nothing but 100% accountability placed on your shoulders. Even if your company backs you and provides you an attorney, who is that lawyer really looking out for? The Company first and foremost. If things start to sway in favor of the bad guy that you ventilated they will be looking for ways to distance the company from you ASAP.

    Get good quality, factory loaded, brand name defensive ammo and you will negate all kinds of problems. Federal, Winchester, Speer, to name a few have many different combos that would work well. \

    Think about your environment. are people wearing light, loose clothing? then whinchester silvertips might be a good choice, light and fast. It gets colder there sometimes, go with a sturdier round like federal HST's really good weight retention and wound characteristics.

    Find out what the local cops carry and try to find that somewhere, it will answer a bunch of questions with one answer.
    "why do you carry that type of ammo? Answer cuz that is what local law enforcement uses, if its good enough for them then it should be good enough for me."

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  • mad_malk
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    Originally posted by gixxer32404 View Post
    Ok my weapon is a Glock 17 so I'm good to good. I bought a box of fmj fiocchi 9 mil.(see other post).But company pays 11.50/hour only 8 hours a week. and specify's everything to the name brand. They specified speer gold dot, and winchester ranger t model such n such. But after 5 stores,unable to locate their specified ammo.In fact, one (either speer or winchester) said they only sell theirs to LEO's. I've spent $900.00 plus and still gotta buy more. But it seems I can't get their authorized ammo.

    Just curious why it would matter whether it's a 38 cal or 9 mil. full metal jacket. You would think they hold u liable for causing more damage...lol.


    I'm about fed up,and ready to go back over the road driving trucks. This is the only thing I've seen paying over $8.00/hour as Armed.and has all these stipulations for part time 8 hours a week.
    FMJ are allowed in Semi autos only because some Semi autos won't feed any thing but hardball FMJ because the gun is cheap junk.

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  • craig333
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    Run what your company tells you to run if its specified.

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  • gixxer32404
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    10-4 copy thanks

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  • UtahProtectionForce
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    Originally posted by gixxer32404 View Post
    Ok my weapon is a Glock 17 so I'm good to good. I bought a box of fmj fiocchi 9 mil.(see other post).But company pays 11.50/hour only 8 hours a week. and specify's everything to the name brand. They specified speer gold dot, and winchester ranger t model such n such. But after 5 stores,unable to locate their specified ammo.In fact, one (either speer or winchester) said they only sell theirs to LEO's. I've spent $900.00 plus and still gotta buy more. But it seems I can't get their authorized ammo.

    Just curious why it would matter whether it's a 38 cal or 9 mil. full metal jacket. You would think they hold u liable for causing more damage...lol.


    I'm about fed up,and ready to go back over the road driving trucks. This is the only thing I've seen paying over $8.00/hour as Armed.and has all these stipulations for part time 8 hours a week.

    alot of times LEO restricted items can be bought by ARMED SECURITY, all ya need is a company letter head, company id or badge and a phone number they can verify with, and if they still have a problem selling ya the ammo i suggest calling your local sheriffs office and see if they will write a letter allowing you the purchase of said ammo.

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  • gixxer32404
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    Ok my weapon is a Glock 17 so I'm good to good. I bought a box of fmj fiocchi 9 mil.(see other post).But company pays 11.50/hour only 8 hours a week. and specify's everything to the name brand. They specified speer gold dot, and winchester ranger t model such n such. But after 5 stores,unable to locate their specified ammo.In fact, one (either speer or winchester) said they only sell theirs to LEO's. I've spent $900.00 plus and still gotta buy more. But it seems I can't get their authorized ammo.

    Just curious why it would matter whether it's a 38 cal or 9 mil. full metal jacket. You would think they hold u liable for causing more damage...lol.


    I'm about fed up,and ready to go back over the road driving trucks. This is the only thing I've seen paying over $8.00/hour as Armed.and has all these stipulations for part time 8 hours a week.

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  • tattedupboy
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    I use Corbon Powrball. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, here is some info on it.

    http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/powrball.htm

    BTW, where I work, officers are free to carry whatever duty weapon and ammo they choose.

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  • mad_malk
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    Originally posted by gcmc security part 2 View Post
    Or seeing as he is in Tallahassee he can call the Tallahassee office.

    I don't ever recall seeing anything that said FMJ is only legal in semi-auto pistols.

    Matter of fact the only thing I do recall seeing is that it had to be factory loaded and could not be reloads.

    Got a statute on that or was that something your K instructor told you?



    EDIT: Just perused 493 seeing as I have nothing better to do for the next 30 mins, and saw nothing at all pertaining to ammo except where it says that a .357 must be loaded with .38, if you have something else on paper let us know
    suggest you read this then.https://www.flrules.org/gateway/Chap...p?Chapter=5N-1
    look at ammunition
    here is that rule copy and pasted.
    5N-1.129 Ammunition.
    Licensed agencies shall allow licensed employees to use only factory ammunition of a type and load which is appropriate for the location and duty requirements of armed employees, not including the following types of ammunition which are prohibited:
    (1) Glaser‑type or any other pre‑fragmented type bullets.
    (2) Exploding bullets.
    (3) Full metal jacket (fmj)/full metal case (fmc) bullets (this can be used in semi‑automatic pistols only).
    (4) Teflon‑coated (ktw‑type) or any other type of armor piercing bullets.
    (5) Full wadcutter bullets (except on the firing range).
    (6) Reloaded ammunition (except on the firing range).
    Specific Authority 493.6103 FS. Law Implemented 493.6115(3), (4), (6) FS. History–New 11‑25‑92, Amended 5‑15‑95, Formerly 1C-3.129.
    Last edited by mad_malk; 03-18-2008, 02:28 PM.

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