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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    You're probably right, but sometimes probability is trumped by Murphy's Law. Always expect the unexpected.
    In the Washington DC area, we have 14-year old children (punks if you like) wielding guns shooting other of their age in addition to innocents.
    I am a proponent of Murphy's Law. In some instances, Murphy can be looked upon as an optimist.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by michael.c.bell
    I know that no simple crook is going to try and knock off the casino. It's the professionals I worry about. Oh, yeah I live in Manitowoc and work in Green Bay. Nice Drive.
    You're probably right, but sometimes probability is trumped by Murphy's Law. Always expect the unexpected.

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  • michael.c.bell
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    I know that no simple crook is going to try and knock off the casino. It's the professionals I worry about. Oh, yeah I live in Manitowoc and work in Green Bay. Nice Drive.

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  • ACP01
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Dumb kid. I am more afraid of a kid with a gun than a grown man. Kids act impulsively and often w/o a sense of the seriousness of the crime and its repercussions on the victim's family. In some third world countries where civil war is ongoing, militias prefer to recruit kids as soldiers because they will commit acts of butchery that would make even a seasoned soldier hesitate.
    Either FBI or DOJ stats have shown that Juvies and young adults (up to 25 yoa) are more apt to use afirearm in the commision of a crime and are most likely to pull the trigger. Sorry I don't remember which report or how recently but I think it is the Juvenile Crime heading. Please also remember that under the Clinton admin DOJ counted a 24yr old as a juvie. I don't know about now in the Bush admin.

    Yes it would be phsycologically harder to shoot or use force on a minor but sometimes that is what they or the ones that put them up to things are counting on.

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  • 1stWatch
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Lucky kid. It could of read, "fires shot in the air, then felled by security guard's bullets."
    Actually there was an incident recently in Dallas where something similar happened. It was printed in the newspaper, but I can't seem to find a working link to the story now. An 18 year old who robbed a couple at gunpoint with a 9mm for cash ran into this complex where a security officer I am acquainted with was working. He didn't know what had transpired, but saw the young man acting suspiciously so he approached him and asked if he needed help. Bang, the kid shot the officer in the shoulder. He responded by shooting the kid and killing him. A successful headshot with a .44 was given after an unsuccessful one was attempted.
    The officer was no-billed by the grand jury and did not face charges. He still has a job there, despite the company's no-draw policy, at the same property.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    San Antonio, TX:
    Security ejects underage bar patron. Kid returns with gun, displays it, and fires it into the air before running. P.D. catches kiddo and puts him in jail.
    Dumb kid. I am more afraid of a kid with a gun than a grown man. Kids act impulsively and often w/o a sense of the seriousness of the crime and its repercussions on the victim's family. In some third world countries where civil war is ongoing, militias prefer to recruit kids as soldiers because they will commit acts of butchery that would make even a seasoned soldier hesitate.

    Understandably, police and armed security may also hesitate to use deadly force when engaging a youth because of the tragic emotional aftermath that normally occurs after such a shooting. I know that there are plenty of people who will argue that violent movies and video games do not desensitize children to the consequences of violent acts. Nevertheless, I believe otherwise. The only guns I had to "worry" about at school were squirt guns. What a difference two decades makes.

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  • ACP01
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    Originally posted by wisconsinite
    "waiting for the day someone robs the place". It was meant as 'you know that chances are it's going to happen'.

    I have used the waiting for it to happen sentence myself.
    Your common variety thug and robber isnt gonna waste their time trying to knock over a casino. There's too much risk. Too much security & surveillance. There's too many witnesses. The amount of planning you'd need to knock over a casino is extensive. Their feable minds cannot muster a plan like that. If you think just because you watched the movie Oceans Eleven will help you, think again. No ACPO, they would rather spend their time doing things their weak minds can handle...gas stations , purse snatching, and ATM hold-ups. During my entire tenure at the casino I worked at, there has never been a hold-up. And it's no coincidence.[/QUOTE]

    I didn't mean anything by what I said, I was just trying to hopefully clarify what the statement meant. I never watched Oceans 11 , 10, 12 or whatever other ones there were. I do know tho that sometimes feable minds bite off way more than they can chew.

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  • wisconsinite
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    "waiting for the day someone robs the place". It was meant as 'you know that chances are it's going to happen'.

    I have used the waiting for it to happen sentence myself. [/QUOTE]

    Your common variety thug and robber isnt gonna waste their time trying to knock over a casino. There's too much risk. Too much security & surveillance. There's too many witnesses. The amount of planning you'd need to knock over a casino is extensive. Their feable minds cannot muster a plan like that. If you think just because you watched the movie Oceans Eleven will help you, think again. No ACPO, they would rather spend their time doing things their weak minds can handle...gas stations , purse snatching, and ATM hold-ups. During my entire tenure at the casino I worked at, there has never been a hold-up. And it's no coincidence.

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  • ACP01
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    Originally posted by Echos13
    That has been something that always amazes me. Shooting into the air. I use to hear those kind of things from cops when I was a kid. Things like, "Good thing he stopped I was about to fire some warning shots over his head."

    Ever watch all those Iraqis shooting into the air to protest or celebrate something? How many people die from the rain of bullets?

    What goes up. Must come down; hard on the one who fired those shots later on.
    Do you remember in the news a few years ago about the Trukish wedding where one guy in celebration mind you,emptied a mag from an AK-47 full auto into the air?
    The wedding was inside. The bride and groom both died I believ along with many guests wounded.


    Wisconsonite, I believe when it was said "waiting for the day someone robs the place". It was meant as 'you know that chances are it's going to happen'.

    I have used the waiting for it to happen sentence myself.

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  • wisconsinite
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    Originally posted by michael.c.bell
    I work security in a casino. I am waiting for the day that someone shows up with a gun and robs the place. Unfortunately, all of us officers are only equiped with batons and handcuffs.
    Michael, your bio says you live in Green Bay. So with that in mind, I'll figure you work at Oneida. I used to do casino security for 5 and a half years, for, dare I say, Potawatomi. I shutter to think WHY you would say you're "waiting for the day someone robs the place". I don't know what you are hoping to see from that. You are only "armed" with a baton and cuffs. So your only recourse is to comply. Which you SHOULD do. No sense getting yourself killed bro...the money is insured. But, take solace in knowing, the BEST thing you have going for you is, 1. There's thousands of cameras looking everywhere. 2. There's 30-40 other officers on the floor. Remember, manpower and camera power...the ultimate deterrant!
    Stay Safe.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by michael.c.bell
    I work security in a casino. I am waiting for the day that someone shows up with a gun and robs the place. Unfortunately, all of us officers are only equiped with batons and handcuffs.
    No spray?

    Does your employer have an active shooter plan in place? Are you all trained on it? Does it involve you, or does it involve calling the local police? Are there tribal police in the casino?

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  • michael.c.bell
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    I work security in a casino. I am waiting for the day that someone shows up with a gun and robs the place. Unfortunately, all of us officers are only equiped with batons and handcuffs.

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  • Echos13
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    That has been something that always amazes me. Shooting into the air. I use to hear those kind of things from cops when I was a kid. Things like, "Good thing he stopped I was about to fire some warning shots over his head."

    Ever watch all those Iraqis shooting into the air to protest or celebrate something? How many people die from the rain of bullets?

    What goes up. Must come down; hard on the one who fired those shots later on.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Lucky kid. It could of read, "fires shot in the air, then felled by security guard's bullets."

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  • 1stWatch
    started a topic Man Threatens Security with Gun

    Man Threatens Security with Gun

    San Antonio, TX:
    Security ejects underage bar patron. Kid returns with gun, displays it, and fires it into the air before running. P.D. catches kiddo and puts him in jail.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met....2c4dbaad.html

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