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  • Deputy Dawg
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    Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
    More Craigslist postings on Avalon. This time talking about a class action lawsuit.

    avalon sucks

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    Reply to: [email protected]
    Date: 2008-02-29, 3:45PM CST


    they are a very bad company, there checks bounce . no health or dental,very low pay, and cindy in hr is very rude, and they make you pay for your own uniform. and if you have ever worked for them and had a hard time I am getting people to start a class action case, i all ready have a lawyer, also i have about 8 people allready to start the case.
    dont work from kenny





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    (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)"

    Interesting heheh.

    It really is amazing how much smoke someone will blow up everyone's butts just to make themselves look good in terms of this guys security company.
    Last edited by Deputy Dawg; 03-06-2008, 08:17 PM.

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  • Caribou
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    Regarding the Twin Cities Mag "interview" with Dan: I was employed by Avalon at the time that article was published and know just how wrong it was. The president noticed the raised eyebrows and said it was considered advertising, not journalism.

    The 40 hours of training Dan mentioned are pure fabrication, unless he meant some sort of on the job training. New hires got the minimum of 12, and were lucky to have a room at the National Sport Center with an actual instructor; a far cry from Avalon's previous practice, which was to stuff them in a cramped room just off the lobby and leave with a television and a VCR full of training tapes.

    But, to be fair, they were in other states, for a time. Avalon provided service in California and Arizona. They lasted less than a year in each state; poor management and out of control overtime left them with no choice but to close shop.

    And as far as I know, they've never run any sort of credit check on any employee. They do run names through the BCA website and send prints to the FBI, but that's it.

    Finally, about the article in the Daily…frankly, I’m surprised news of this sort hasn’t come out before.

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    No laws apply to him either??? The Minnesota Daily



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    November 16, 2007


    security


    Dome security firm in violation of state law
    By Jake Grovum
    hey've been called security guards and rent-a-cops, but now a different word could describe them: underqualified.

    At all home Gopher football games, Avalon Fortress Security Corporation handles security operations in conjunction with local police departments.

    The St. Peter, Minn.-based Gustavus Adolphus College baseball team works at the Metrodome to assist Avalon.

    While the baseball players receive three to four hours of training before their work begins, any individual who participates in security operations must take part in a 12-hour training session, according to Minnesota Statute 326.3361. Without providing the full training session, Avalon is in violation of state law.

    Much of the baseball team's work involves ushering and ticket scanning, but when there is a large rush of fans at the gate, they might be called to do bag checks and pat-down inspections, Avalon's owner Dan Seman said.

    But the second the first baseball player checks a purse or pats down a fan, he becomes a security officer, executive director of the State of Minnesota Board of Private Detective and Protective Agent Services Marie Ohman said.

    Gustavus baseball players have only performed as security guards at one game this season, but Ohman said that is irrelevant.

    "If they start performing security functions, we don't care if it's 1 percent of someone's job description or 100 percent," she said. "If they are performing security functions, they fall under the statutory requirements."

    As for their other responsibilities, there is no such 12-hour training requirement.

    Gustavus baseball head coach Mike Carroll said he was unaware there were any issues with what his players were

    doing.

    "That's (Avalon's) problem, and if we knew there was an issue with that, we'd stop doing that immediately," he said. "I'll pull those kids out of there today."

    The players work at the games to raise money for the team and told Avalon they only wanted to usher, Carroll said.

    The program was also unaware any additional training was needed, Carroll added.

    The board handles licensing and compliance issues with security agencies in Minnesota. It continuously monitors a company's compliance, Ohman said.

    While he agrees the team should participate in the 12-hour training session, Seman said he disagrees with the statute.

    "These people are not enforcing what we call rules or enforcing state statute," he said. "They are simply providing a public safety-type service."

    Despite his recognition of its importance, Seman said he would be willing to fight the statute if it "came to blows."

    "I would challenge that in a court of law; I would challenge that under any kind of statute," he said. "If worse came to worst, I would attempt to change that statute with the Legislature."

    Associate athletics director for facilities and events Scott Ellison said to his knowledge the Gustavus group only ushers at the Metrodome.

    "Avalon knows they need to provide trained staff for pat downs," he said. "It's a legal liability issue."

    American Security, another local security firm, provides its services at a number of events, but does not use employees on a temporary basis, executive vice president Richard Kohl said.

    "It's very difficult to use temporary people that way," he said. "You'd never get them cleared in time to the state agencies."

    Aside from the lack of training, Kohl said accountability is another issue with Avalon's practices.

    "You get so far removed from any accountability as to the person's status," he said. "As a license holder, the presumption is you will do all the things necessary to ensure the individuals perform in a manner that's good for the public safety."

    Ultimately, Kohl said it is not until something goes wrong that attention is brought to an issue like this.

    "It's only when something goes terrible that people make the action," he said. "When there's an incident, that's often what sparks a change."


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  • Minneapolis Security
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    It would seem there is some contridictions in what Dan says, and what the City of Minneapolis bid says: City of Minneapolis Bid

    Forty hours = 16 hours
    Living wage = $10.75

    Avalon’s thorough employee screening includes routine credit checks in addition to background
    investigations.

    I bet they don't do the credit checks, and if they do, do they ever disqualify anyone?

    Excellent employee retention, they have a substantially low 28% turn-over rate. Many security
    companies run 60-200%.

    Then why the hell are they advertising on Craigslist every day?

    Doesn't anyone check facts anymore?????

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    More Craigslist postings on Avalon. This time talking about a class action lawsuit.

    avalon sucks

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    Reply to: [email protected]
    Date: 2008-02-29, 3:45PM CST


    they are a very bad company, there checks bounce . no health or dental,very low pay, and cindy in hr is very rude, and they make you pay for your own uniform. and if you have ever worked for them and had a hard time I am getting people to start a class action case, i all ready have a lawyer, also i have about 8 people allready to start the case.
    dont work from kenny





    Location: minneapolis
    Compensation: nothing
    Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
    Please, no phone calls about this job!
    Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    He seems to be basing his marketing campaign on: I am Dan Seaman and I will protect you (by proxy).

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  • Badge714
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
    Although it can be overdone, photo and name recognition are an integral part of advertising your business. I often use my photo on materials, like this website, my own website, magazine articles and professional brochures. It's all part of putting a face with a name.
    Nothing wrong as long as it's tastefully done.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with pictures on business cards, brochures, etc. for one-man operations like real estate agents, insurance salesmen, consultants, etc.
    But it seems kinda cornball for a contract security service. IMHO.

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  • Security Leader
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
    Although it can be overdone, photo and name recognition are an integral part of advertising your business. I often use my photo on materials, like this website, my own website, magazine articles and professional brochures. It's all part of putting a face with a name.

    Nothing wrong as long as it's tastefully done.
    I disagree, the goal should be to try to build a company and a brand, not be based on a person like Seman.

    An example from Las Vegas:

    2 partners start a show based on their personalities and talents. Their fan base continues to grow and they employee 100's of people. People from all over come to see them. Business is good. Then one day one of the partners is injured. The show can no longer go on and 100's of people are out of work: Siegfried and Roy.

    4 friends start as a street show and decide that they will not reveal who they really are. They continue to grow and increase their fan base. Because no one knows who they are they are able to hire more people to participate in the show and take nights off. They can have more shows per week. They continue to hire and teach others and expand by opening shows all around the world. The original friends are no longer part of the show they now just manage the global operations and continue to make large profits: The Blue Man Group

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  • Badge714
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
    Although it can be overdone, photo and name recognition are an integral part of advertising your business. I often use my photo on materials, like this website, my own website, magazine articles and professional brochures. It's all part of putting a face with a name.

    Nothing wrong as long as it's tastefully done.
    A few years back, I read an article that Seman wrote for a local Commercial Real Estate newspaper. The article was about Seman's wife, who was/is a realtor or something. You would think that since the article was about his wife, he would have included a picture of her. Wrong! At the top of the article was a picture of Dan Seman!
    But it was tastefully done, I guess. It was the one where he's scowling at the camera giving his best "I'm so bad" look.

    Last edited by Badge714; 03-02-2008, 10:16 PM.

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  • NRM_Oz
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    It is a brand name completed with an affixed image in your head - whether it be a cartoon character or a company image of the director/s or even so much as politicians (think of your current US campaigns). Forgetting this campaign of imaging, I found his comments to be prove him to be another "loud mouth wanker" who tarnishes the images of the private security industry with his comments. Am I supposed to be impressed by the number of staffing levels or what he does or whom he has worked with ?

    Professionalism comes from not tarnishing your client's image or breaking their privacy policies. This clown enjoys the sensationlism of name dropping so that he sounds more like he is "Dan the Man" to the reader. I know he is in the USA and things are run far differently, but come on this is a global industry and it people like him who cast a dark shadow over our industry. Trust me it happens here, with the wannabe group but I have yet to encompass such sensationalism as in this article.

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    For the new forum members, lets not forget his crack squad of professional GUARDS!





    WTF? His fly is open!


    You may remember this fine officer (I mean GUARD) from the Burger King commercial.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92uth...eature=related
    Last edited by Minneapolis Security; 03-02-2008, 04:39 PM.

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  • BoyInBlue
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    Dramaaaa!

    I thought it was a good read... until all the MN people in here filled me in.

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    Lots of BS in this article. 1/4 of his business is in MN? Has anyone ever seen an Avalon GUARD in any other state? Is he even licensed in any other state?

    Largest company in MN???? I don't think so! I believe American Security is the biggest in MN.

    My favorite part was the 1 way bullet proof door to his office. PLEASE!!!!

    What a douche bag!!

    Fired from Somerset, Wi. PD for abandoning his partner who was fighting with a perp. I bet he "can't talk about that" either.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Curtis you are quite correct, Mr. Seman's strategy is working; if not we would not be discussing the effectiveness of it.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Black Caesar
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    There's one little part of the article that tells me everything I need to know about the guy:

    The United States Marshal’s office hired me as what they called a WAE [when actually employed] deputy U.S. Marshal. The title no longer exists. A great opportunity—lots of travel, lots of excitement. I can’t really go into it.
    People who really do things they can't "get into" never talk about any of it to begin with lol. It's like the old load mouth vet at the VFW always talking about his war exploits, when in reality he was a clerk or cook or something lol.

    People who do that (dangle a bit of the old "James Bond" style experience) are just trying to make themselves look better lol.

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