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  • Allegiance Security Group, LLC

    any one heard of them ? i never have until i saw an ad for them recruiting in my local area, they boost to have multiple clients, and postions open atm, but its just odd ive never heard of them before, any one else ? they appear to be a regional company, with offices in 6 of 7 states and a bunch in florida.
    Its not how we die that counts.....
    Its not how we lived that counts....
    all that matters is how we saved that one life that one time by being in the right place at the right time....

  • #2
    Name Change

    They changed thier name - formerly known as ALLIED PROTECTION SERVICES. They have a Salt Lake City office, but dont know how many contracts are left. The old branch manager was a gentleman by the name of Jim Young, but I have heard through the grapevine that he has left them (dont know for sure).

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    • #3
      Company was formally Allied Protection Services until a large lawsuit from a liquor store owner in Orlando, FL when the armed security guard ran and hid in the metal dumpster outside when an enraged former employee came in. The 1st time the ex employee came in, he forgot to load his pistol. Instead of locking the door and calling 911 the guard just stood their looking out the door. The ex employee came back in and started shooting. The guard called 911 from the dumpster behind the store. Google it you can still find the 911 tapes.

      2 days ago, the state law enforcement investigated allegiance security due to a tip that they were storing marijuana. Although the exact amount has not be released to the press, the police are saying that it is more than a "personal" amount. The office manager for allegiance stated that it was all confiscated off of the Bethune Cookman students and they were not aware that they needed to report it to Law Enforcement.

      My personal opinion is STAY AWAY

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      • #4
        As stated by others Allegiance is from the information I'm getting is a merger
        of Allied and Fox Protective.

        They have an office in Sarasota, FL. The person running that office is an ex-LEO. I work for him at another company in Sarasota.

        I talked to one individual that works for them doing armed/unarmed work. He
        says he gets a lot of hours (it seems like they can't get enough people).

        I've seen ads for work in the Orlando area recently.

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        • #5
          Bad news-company is all wrong

          I as former HR lead in this company say "Buyer and Employee BEWARE"-I stay way away from this company as I can testify personally that many false promises are continuously made by this company, both internal, and to the customer (see their website for details) Most are completely false-down to training efforts, lisc agreements-even hire in FL without guards being lisc or Branch managers-but they say they are-trust me-I could only verify half staff were lisc-I was OUT of there-almost all FL branches are investigated now by Fl Lisc bur. So careful, this company is a stumbling MESS-not to mention almost all employees are underpaid (even bfore economy stumbled)-they make almost 13 hr by client-and MAYBE give guards 8-more than covers costs don't you think? Just FYI-

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dntnanj View Post
            -not to mention almost all employees are underpaid (even bfore economy stumbled)-they make almost 13 hr by client-and MAYBE give guards 8-more than covers costs don't you think? Just FYI-
            Obviously you have never had to actually manage a service company, have you? I admit a $13 per hour bill rate is low, but a pay rate of $8 per hour on that $13 is not unreasonable AT ALL.

            For each dollar you pay the guard you have to cover the employer portion of social security and medicare, unemployment, workers comp, liability insurance, non-billable salaries, office rent, utilities, professional fees, state licensing fees, equipment, uniforms, vehicles, etc.

            Depending on the overhead that could leave a profit of barely 10%
            Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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            • #7
              misunderstood on pay

              No no, I think you misunderstood-see my message again, I said, before the economy fell, take roughly last Jan 08 for exxample (right before economy went sour)-Example I gave was ASG average account the client paid 13he-and MAYBE the guard received 8hr-and that was AT BEST, I rarely EVER was allowed hire over that amount, whether the client paid 13-16 hr-it STAYED at 8 for the guards. Capt (if Capt was required) made 8.50, again AT BEST-but the AVERAGE guard was paid 7.25-7.50 on those particular accounts-trust me, I've heard it all before-ROI, profit, to cover this and that-sure, and I agree. But do NOT tell me (ASG) that a "large percentage of that profit is paid to train out guards Mr. Client" That my friend was the BS I was pointing out. Also I compared ours to other companies with similar accounts (to be fair) we were well below average-it was like pulling teeth to get a .25 (QRTR) out of the company to even pay the guard for raises, no training (as advertised) , etc. And every time I brought up any type of training, I was laughed at-seriously. And to put it simply and honestly, I'd say approx 50% of the accounts averaged at least a 6.25hr difference on client vs. guard pay (7.50)-think about it, the profits were astounding, even with the overhead-Look, if you make 6.25hr a pop over the guard pay structure (7.50) per guard, per hour, per client-(i.e.,168 hr post on 4 FT 1PT employee) your talking over 1000 a week AFTER the payroll, coverage of taxes and other costs, and maybe even OT, Taxes, you cannot tell me they do not walk away each week with 600-700 profits-I know there is still cost to cover-and I included this, but take a nationwide Co such as ASG, multiply posts, branches, you name it-and we are talking major profit-and all I wanted was our guards to be paid AVERAGE-or at least a darn quarter more-they got tired of my asking-afterall-I was HR, what do I know.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dntnanj View Post
                No no, I think you misunderstood-see my message again, I said, before the economy fell, take roughly last Jan 08 for exxample (right before economy went sour)-Example I gave was ASG average account the client paid 13he-and MAYBE the guard received 8hr-and that was AT BEST, I rarely EVER was allowed hire over that amount, whether the client paid 13-16 hr-it STAYED at 8 for the guards.
                That is not what you wrote originally.

                And to put it simply and honestly, I'd say approx 50% of the accounts averaged at least a 6.25hr difference on client vs. guard pay (7.50)-think about it, the profits were astounding, even with the overhead-Look, if you make 6.25hr a pop over the guard pay structure (7.50) per guard, per hour, per client-(i.e.,168 hr post on 4 FT 1PT employee) your talking over 1000 a week AFTER the payroll, coverage of taxes and other costs, and maybe even OT, Taxes, you cannot tell me they do not walk away each week with 600-700 profits-
                You just don't know what all is involved in running a company. Billing $6 per hour over the pay rate is not going to make anyone rich.
                I know there is still cost to cover-and I included this, but take a nationwide Co such as ASG, multiply posts, branches, you name it-and we are talking major profit-and all I wanted was our guards to be paid AVERAGE-or at least a darn quarter more-they got tired of my asking-afterall-I was HR, what do I know.
                You have a problem with a company making a "major profit"? There is one way to insure your guards get paid what you want them to get paid; open your own company.
                Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by txinvestigator View Post
                  That is not what you wrote originally.

                  Of course not, I had to give you an example, so I made it clearer by offering you the "bigger picture".

                  You just don't know what all is involved in running a company. Billing $6 per hour over the pay rate is not going to make anyone rich.

                  Never said it was.....profits never make "anyone" individually rich, however, thru the company, they become incredibly "selective" on who becomes rich off the profits, and who doesn't ever see them. Sure isn't the guards, never said it should either-but a quarter, come on-all these type security firms have serious rusts in their wallets-?

                  You have a problem with a company making a "major profit"? There is one way to insure your guards get paid what you want them to get paid; open your own company.
                  Sure-love that mentality-"Here Officer Joe-$7.25 hr and one day you can be just like me one day" Good luck with that buddy-I don't think anyone has ever had a problem with profits, silly thought in my opinion but sharing the wealth is becoming a heavy statement these days for business owners, I can just hear their gripes now-unfortunately it falls on deaf ears to similar businesses such as the one you describe that you own or work for. Come on-a quarter, fighting over .25 cents, for 4 long months (never got it for them either they are STILL at 7.25!) So do you see what I was trying to share here on this type of compnay yet or not? I have to tell you-you sound just like my former boss, never wanted to help "Officer Joe" with his family, wife lost job, car is older than dirt, makes $7.25 hour, needs another job, but my boss was high livin it large at 80K plus 10-15K bonus a year-2 homes, 3 nice cars-YEE HAW-Oh, but maybe he is more educated? NO-he knew who to talk to, who to run over to get that spot-trust me, it was a nasty climb, I will never get over that company take over, and the "wealthy" one had NO problem walking on the small people-
                  Finally-Makes me really wonder Sir how does your kind sleep at night-seriously, a little quarter to squeeze from the wealth down to the guard will not effect the "major profits" either-aww, but it does effect those individually selected to share that wealth with each other though, doesn't it? Thank GOODNESS I voted Obama

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dntnanj View Post
                    Sure-love that mentality-"Here Officer Joe-$7.25 hr and one day you can be just like me one day" Good luck with that buddy-I don't think anyone has ever had a problem with profits, silly thought in my opinion but sharing the wealth is becoming a heavy statement these days for business owners, I can just hear their gripes now-unfortunately it falls on deaf ears to similar businesses such as the one you describe that you own or work for. Come on-a quarter, fighting over .25 cents, for 4 long months (never got it for them either they are STILL at 7.25!) So do you see what I was trying to share here on this type of compnay yet or not? I have to tell you-you sound just like my former boss, never wanted to help "Officer Joe" with his family, wife lost job, car is older than dirt, makes $7.25 hour, needs another job, but my boss was high livin it large at 80K plus 10-15K bonus a year-2 homes, 3 nice cars-YEE HAW-Oh, but maybe he is more educated? NO-he knew who to talk to, who to run over to get that spot-trust me, it was a nasty climb, I will never get over that company take over, and the "wealthy" one had NO problem walking on the small people-
                    Finally-Makes me really wonder Sir how does your kind sleep at night-seriously, a little quarter to squeeze from the wealth down to the guard will not effect the "major profits" either-aww, but it does effect those individually selected to share that wealth with each other though, doesn't it? Thank GOODNESS I voted Obama
                    Thats the way it works. The owners make more money than the workers, generally. You don't know what you are talking about when you say $.25 per hour won't affect the company.

                    Share the wealth? That is for socialists. We pay a fair wage to employees. And guess what, it is no secret what their pay rate is. They agree to work for the wage we offer. I have had people turn down job offers from us because they thought the pay was too low. Good for them. I have had people resign to go to a career where they will make better money. I support that. I am happy when our employees are able to better themselves. Sometimes we can promote them, sometimes they need to move on. As much as I hate to lose good employees, I would never begrudge a person making a better life.

                    And we have NO accounts at $13 per hour, and we pay no one as little as $7.25; however, I have NO PROBLEM with those companies who do. The great thing about America is we are FREE. You can choose to work elsewhere if your pay is not what you want, or think you deserve.

                    Being jealous of those who have worked hard to earn the lifestyle they have will not help you get what you want in life.

                    Sounds like your boss had it right. I have met people who wanted to spend MY or the companies money to help others. Seems they never want to reach into their own pocket though.

                    I wish you the best in your future endeavors. Hopefully you will establish yourself in a position where you can be the kind of employer for which you want to work.
                    Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by txinvestigator View Post
                      Thats the way it works. The owners make more money than the workers, generally. You don't know what you are talking about when you say $.25 per hour won't affect the company.

                      Of course I don't-but when you have a contract, client rates continue to increase annually where as the guards pay does not, there lies a problem, and maybe I should have stated that as I agree you can refuse to work for 7.25, but when you accept, based on company advertised beneifits, training raises given on performance merit, and you've done an outstanding job for 3 years-something, or someone has to give. These kind of excuses become so old and tiring

                      Share the wealth? That is for socialists. We pay a fair wage to employees. And guess what, it is no secret what their pay rate is. They agree to work for the wage we offer. I have had people turn down job offers from us because they thought the pay was too low. Good for them. I have had people resign to go to a career where they will make better money. I support that. I am happy when our employees are able to better themselves. Sometimes we can promote them, sometimes they need to move on. As much as I hate to lose good employees, I would never begrudge a person making a better life.

                      Neither would I, matter of fact, I agree, and I encourage it as well.

                      And we have NO accounts at $13 per hour, and we pay no one as little as $7.25; however, I have NO PROBLEM with those companies who do. The great thing about America is we are FREE. You can choose to work elsewhere if your pay is not what you want, or think you deserve.
                      Being jealous of those who have worked hard to earn the lifestyle they have will not help you get what you want in life.
                      Sounds like your boss had it right. I have met people who wanted to spend MY or the companies money to help others. Seems they never want to reach into their own pocket though.

                      Did you think the .25 or any raise issue discussed here was for me? See how your mentality is shared (all too familiar)? Well, elieve it or not, Jealous isn't the right word, pitty on the others is maybe close-Why can't you and others such as my old boss see the big picture-you are too close minded and selfish (no offense), but it is true-I know you have to be in a sense to be an aggressive leader, but either way, you can't see the issue at all as it was never about me. Sure, I make salary equivilant to his since I am now with a larger legal firm, but this was all about the guards, false promises, and his contnued boost in salary-how cacn a guard who worked 3yrs at 7.25 NOT be jealous of the "bigger man" but he never expects a hand-out or ask to make the same amount, no,. Youguys will never see this, ever. Even though I am gone, I'll always pity those guards whom are working so hard day and night to help folks like you EARN YOUR money (doesn't that sound backwards). You have to understand those you step on (to make more and more) you need to remember the foundation of your company-its your people who make it happen-not the money grabbers. When you neglect them, you are hurting more than just them as individuals, as many have families too-so if my boss had it right-I take it you'd do the same-this whole "i earned it", and its "my money" doesn't fly, never did, and never will with me on what I witnessed at that place-the hard work those guards put in, false promises, yet the bigger boss gets thousands and thousands increased (talking about his salary), how can you continue to agree not to give guards a .25 raise after reading this? I have to be open minded though as you have no understanding of the human thought process, as HR Director, years experience, I've grown to accept and learn from these folks.
                      I wish you the best in your future endeavors. Hopefully you will establish yourself in a position where you can be the kind of employer for which you want to work.
                      Seems like you already have "luck" on your side and don't need it-those poor guards, eh, well, what are you gonna do if you don't say something-so, there you have it-all though you don't need it, good luck to you too.

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                      • #12
                        Wow, I'm sure this thread has been hijacked enough, but I have to chime in.

                        First, dntnanj, you are only 5 posts into your membership in this forum, and already you're picking fights? Geeze.

                        Second, you are an HR Director? No offense, but you're spelling and grammar are terrible. I would assume you need some form of higher education to become and HR Director, so that leaves me to wonder...

                        Third, I think your rantings are nothing more than a disgruntled former employee taking aim (anonymously) at their past employer. Just my opinion, we see it here all the time. While your points may be valid, your presentation of them does little to further your cause. As an HR Director, you obviously know very little about the operation of a security company, or any business for that matter. Your job is to recruit and hire staff. You should stick to that.

                        What txinvestigator is telling you, is in fact true. There is an equation most companies use to determine the bill rate for each pay rate, which covers their operating costs, and a slight profit. You forget there are many expenses other than the officers pay, that are not billed directly to the client, such as your salary for example. Your salary comes out of those $5 or $6 extra dollars your boss charges above what he pays the officer. You're right, maybe he should give the officer more money, he can just take it from your salary. You want to help them, right?

                        Now, I started as an entry-level security officer making chicken scratch, so I can feel for those who are in that position. However, I am in no way obligated to give them what I have earned. They can work their way up, just like I did. Very few people who are business owners or in upper manangement, had it handed to them. You have to work hard and earn your keep. Nothing is given to you in life, the sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.
                        "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" -Matthew 5:9

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dntnanj
                          Originally Posted by txinvestigator
                          Thats the way it works. The owners make more money than the workers, generally. You don't know what you are talking about when you say $.25 per hour won't affect the company.

                          Of course I don't-but when you have a contract, client rates continue to increase annually where as the guards pay does not, there lies a problem, and maybe I should have stated that as I agree you can refuse to work for 7.25, but when you accept, based on company advertised beneifits, training raises given on performance merit, and you've done an outstanding job for 3 years-something, or someone has to give. These kind of excuses become so old and tiring
                          Then quite and go elsewhere rather than moan, groan and complain because the owner is a Capitalist rather than a socialist.




                          [B]Did you think the .25 or any raise issue discussed here was for me? See how your mentality is shared (all too familiar)? Well, elieve it or not, Jealous isn't the right word, pitty on the others is maybe close-Why can't you and others such as my old boss see the big picture-you are too close minded and selfish (no offense),
                          Says the guy complaining about wages.


                          but it is true-I know you have to be in a sense to be an aggressive leader, but either way, you can't see the issue at all as it was never about me. Sure, I make salary equivilant to his since I am now with a larger legal firm, but this was all about the guards, false promises, and his contnued boost in salary-how cacn a guard who worked 3yrs at 7.25 NOT be jealous of the "bigger man" but he never expects a hand-out or ask to make the same amount, no,. Youguys will never see this, ever.
                          Then those people can LEAVE. I am going to tell you something you are going to find hard to swallow. People get paid what they deserve. If those employees had a problem they should quit for a better paying job, but for whatever reason they could not get more money. Therefore they were paid what they deserved. That is how free enterprise works. You want more money, become more valuable.

                          Even though I am gone, I'll always pity those guards whom are working so hard day and night to help folks like you EARN YOUR money (doesn't that sound backwards).
                          No, those poor guards are working for THEMSELVES, with an opportunity we have provided for them. It is because WE own a company and have clients that those guards are able to work. We are proud to be able to employ so many.
                          You have to understand those you step on (to make more and more) you need to remember the foundation of your company
                          How is paying someone a wage they agree on "stepping on the them"? How is it stepping on them if the they can leave to get more money, with a letter of reccomendation if they ask? We don't have any slaves here.
                          -its your people who make it happen-not the money grabbers. When you neglect them,
                          HOw are they being "neglected"? Do I have some obligation to them (other than treating them fairly and paying them as we agreed)as if they are my children?
                          you are hurting more than just them as individuals, as many have families too-so if my boss had it right-I take it you'd do the same-this whole "i earned it", and its "my money" doesn't fly, never did, and never will with me
                          Then I suggest you start your own company and give away the farm, then see how long you can employ those folks. You do them no good when you fail to stay profitable and have to close down.


                          how can you continue to agree not to give guards a .25 raise after reading this?
                          Because I understand business and reality, and I believe in capitalism, and I hate socialism.
                          I have to be open minded though as you have no understanding of the human thought process,
                          I thougt we were discussing business pay and the such, not thought processes. I understand that well, as I understand yours. You cannot make it on your own, and as a socialist you despise anyone who has wealth (even perceived wealth) and won't share it with you. How's that for understanding thought process.


                          [B]Seems like you already have "luck" on your side and don't need it-
                          I have learned that people make their own luck. I started out as one of those "poor guards" and have worked every type of post there is. I worked hard, educated myself, found mentors I respected and learned the business. Yep, I was lucky, self made luck.
                          Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SoCal Public Safety View Post
                            Wow, I'm sure this thread has been hijacked enough, but I have to chime in.

                            First, dntnanj, you are only 5 posts into your membership in this forum, and already you're picking fights? Geeze.

                            Second, you are an HR Director? No offense, but you're spelling and grammar are terrible. I would assume you need some form of higher education to become and HR Director, so that leaves me to wonder...

                            Third, I think your rantings are nothing more than a disgruntled former employee taking aim (anonymously) at their past employer. Just my opinion, we see it here all the time. While your points may be valid, your presentation of them does little to further your cause. As an HR Director, you obviously know very little about the operation of a security company, or any business for that matter. Your job is to recruit and hire staff. You should stick to that.

                            What txinvestigator is telling you, is in fact true. There is an equation most companies use to determine the bill rate for each pay rate, which covers their operating costs, and a slight profit. You forget there are many expenses other than the officers pay, that are not billed directly to the client, such as your salary for example. Your salary comes out of those $5 or $6 extra dollars your boss charges above what he pays the officer. You're right, maybe he should give the officer more money, he can just take it from your salary. You want to help them, right?

                            Now, I started as an entry-level security officer making chicken scratch, so I can feel for those who are in that position. However, I am in no way obligated to give them what I have earned. They can work their way up, just like I did. Very few people who are business owners or in upper manangement, had it handed to them. You have to work hard and earn your keep. Nothing is given to you in life, the sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.

                            I disagree that anyone is fighting here? I thought this was a forum? I did a google search and found inquiry on former employer, and when I see someone is clearly asking what we know about them, I was entitled to be honest in my opinion, or am I not allowed that here? Although I need not justify my credentials to anyone on a forum, you implied I had none, or questioned it. So, as an HR Director whom is required to have an SPHR (look it up) and degree in Psychology, I think I'm entitled to an opinion, just like you, Mr. Security Officer "who made it". As far as spelling, I as many others "speed type" (look that up too), and well, obviously this forum is way more important to you than it is me, but worry not as I have an admin that normally prepares any formalities for me when letters, etc, versus any forum-I have better things to do that to use spell check in a forum-however if it bothers you that bad, I will do so for this reply. Spelling is not a priority here to me; my employees and employer however do take precedence. What I did think was important here this forum was to spread the knowledge, which I'm trying so hard to do for you folks regarding ASG practices-So why are all of you insist on relating my previous experiences with ASG to all of you personally-seriously-that’s pretty shallow and close minded don't you think? Just try to see my point, (without looking for spell errors or fights, or thinking it’s a disgruntled employee, goodness you wouldn't know disgruntled until you have experience in HR, trust me).

                            And finally, I keep telling this forum it has to do HOW you "made it", what does your character really say for yourself when you DO make it, that sort of thing. Like how one makes it in the ranks--I was telling those about ASG, whom climbed over all the small ones to get where they are today, that honestly didn't work nearly as "hard" as most guards often did, not all of them, and you of all people should know exactly what I mean if you are truly a guard who made it. And what is absolutely killing me here is why do all of you insist I expected the guards to have a hand out?? No ones asked for your money here-no one asked my boss for his money either-I'm starting to wonder if I had the opportunity to actually DRAW you a picture (literally), that none of this forums "business owners" still wouldn't get it. Small minded, big pockets-

                            In final (as I have work to do), I think you should put your badge back on, as I am sure I've seen your type in the field, always agreeing with the big guys in hopes to make Capt, etc-I've seen that mentality-its so sad. So, in retrospect, in thinking that anyone would ask for your money-because in truth, no one would think you had any with the badge on in the first place.

                            I keep defending my belief here that hard workers deserve a raise, hard workers deserve whats promised to them, wealthy employers should give them what they deserve, and keep their promises-yet all of you keep arguing that "No one's getting a hand out, not getting my money" Do all of you seriously hear yourselves, and your ok with your character? Is it even possible that one of you can rise above the rest of the "it’s all about me" attitudes just once? Especially you as a former / higher ranking (whichever) guard, you should know better, as you know how it is for them-UNLESS-wait, you must be one of those "selected individuals", who either a) never stated your belief, never argued, or always told your superior what they wanted to hear (laments terms- kiss butt) or -b) had friends or family, or either your just like ASG, step on whomever you need to get to the top-that was their (ASG'S) only way, and that’s all I've been trying to say here-

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                            • #15
                              Your attempt to insult me is pathetic.

                              You're correct, this is a forum, and we are all entitled to our opinions. My opinion is you are incorrect about everything else.

                              So you're speed typing? Congratulations. I do that as well, only with less errors. You see, speed typing without typos is one of the many skills I possess which has allowed me to excel and rise through the ranks, not "stepping on" people.

                              So because I'm not willing to give some of my hard earned money to one of my subordinates, that is a lack of character? I treat every one of my employees with respect. I provide them a job with reasonable pay, which they gladly accepted. I provide them free uniforms and training, in fact, I pay them to attend training. They recieve benefits as well. What a terrible person I must be.

                              No one is disputing your claims about ASG, other than your remarks stating their pay rates and bill rates were unjustified. Most experts in the industry would agree they are fair. You have stated your opinion, and have now outlived your usefullness. If you have nothing constructive to say, I suggest you leave. You have more important things to do anyway, right?
                              "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" -Matthew 5:9

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