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  • #16
    Personally, I would hire a "wannabe" over the guys we had before I took over. The guys I really have zero tolerance for are the ones who don't want to get off their asses and even fall asleep during a shift. Unfortunately, this is quite common in our industry, so when I hire a young kid who thinks he's the baddest thing on two feet, I usually don't mind it all that much (assuming he's not doing anything stupid) given the alternative. Besides, these "wannabes" are usually more effective at getting **** done, IMO.
    111th PAPD Class
    Bravo Platoon 4th Squad

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Security View Post
      Personally, I would hire a "wannabe" over the guys we had before I took over. The guys I really have zero tolerance for are the ones who don't want to get off their asses and even fall asleep during a shift. Unfortunately, this is quite common in our industry, so when I hire a young kid who thinks he's the baddest thing on two feet, I usually don't mind it all that much (assuming he's not doing anything stupid) given the alternative. Besides, these "wannabes" are usually more effective at getting **** done, IMO.
      Times are changing in the Security industry, and better personnel competition is coming through. Once the dead-weight at the top tumbles (and profit objectives dictate they WILL tumble), the entire organization can turnover in a matter of a few weeks.

      So the days of illiterate CO's, Site Supervisors, and District Managers are limited; and the next time they bluff or overstep their boundaries may be their last. The Good SO's who want overtime will just have to cover 'open' posts until the cleansing process is near completion. That's good news for the good guys, and bad news for the marginal guys who need to start learning how to act: its really not too hard at all. Maybe they did not have a Dad to slap them, and they could not figure it out on their own.

      Wannabe's just have a higher chance of immediate dismissal from customer interface or dealing with the public. Companies can't accept unlimited liability from Billy B Azz. Those types also tend to be vandals of anyone's property as well. Eating beans for weeks at a time tends to change people though.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ddog View Post
        Times are changing in the Security industry, and better personnel competition is coming through. Once the dead-weight at the top tumbles (and profit objectives dictate they WILL tumble), the entire organization can turnover in a matter of a few weeks.

        So the days of illiterate CO's, Site Supervisors, and District Managers are limited; and the next time they bluff or overstep their boundaries may be their last. The Good SO's who want overtime will just have to cover 'open' posts until the cleansing process is near completion. That's good news for the good guys, and bad news for the marginal guys who need to start learning how to act: its really not too hard at all. Maybe they did not have a Dad to slap them, and they could not figure it out on their own.

        Wannabe's just have a higher chance of immediate dismissal from customer interface or dealing with the public. Companies can't accept unlimited liability from Billy B Azz. Those types also tend to be vandals of anyone's property as well. Eating beans for weeks at a time tends to change people though.
        You very well may be right. It is just that I have dealt with a ton of good-for-nothing lazy asses in the past, and will take whatever I can get to avoid them in the future. Let's face it, it's not an easy task to recruit the "best of the best" at only $10/hour. So I can't be too picky. If I have two applicants applying for a SO job and one happens to be a wannabe, but the alternative is a guy who can't seem to hold a job because he doesn't understand the concept of "work"... I'm probably going to offer the wannabe the position.
        Last edited by Security; 02-11-2008, 11:25 AM.
        111th PAPD Class
        Bravo Platoon 4th Squad

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Security View Post
          Personally, I would hire a "wannabe" over the guys we had before I took over. The guys I really have zero tolerance for are the ones who don't want to get off their asses and even fall asleep during a shift. Unfortunately, this is quite common in our industry, so when I hire a young kid who thinks he's the baddest thing on two feet, I usually don't mind it all that much (assuming he's not doing anything stupid) given the alternative. Besides, these "wannabes" are usually more effective at getting **** done, IMO.
          This is THE post I was waiting for. I knew I wan't the only one. Most days I WISH we had a few wannabes. I work at a post which is the very definition of Warm Body Security.
          Guards who refuse to tuck in their shirts because they are fat and they think that tucking in their shirt only makes things look worse. Tuck in your FRACKING SHIRT!
          Guards who were issued a medal pin on badge the day they were hired but have never worn it on their uniform. Where's Your Fracking Badge!
          Guards who sleep through the entire shift. One guard shows up an hour early every day which is against policy (15 min before max) to eat dinner in the guard shack before shift. Then he passes out and sleeps until time for his first patrol an hour into his shift. WAKE THE FRACK UP!
          The guard is so rigid in his schedule that he refuses to patrol except at predetermined times instead of making random patrols. If he sleeps through the time he would normally leave for a patrol he will simply "wait for the next patrol". GET THE FRACK OUT THERE AND FRACKING PATROL!!!!!
          Guards who, if you can get their no badge wearing, untucked shirt wearing butts out of the chair and awake enought to go on patrol will not bother taking a flashlight or spotlight with them. IT'S FRACKING DARK! TAKE A LIGHT SO YOU CAN FRACKING SEE!!!!
          Even if they see something they are so scared of actually making contact with anyone they are not going to do something. They will radio me at the desk to report someone parked and sitting in a restricted area. I ask them if they intend to drive over and mave the driver move his vehicle. OH Nooooo, can't do that. They might acutually have to do something security related. I get out from the desk, take a radio and walk over to the parking area myself and have the driver move to another area. Thanks a lot your worthless Fracking Patrol officer!!! Here's one which actually happened a couple of weeks ago. Patrol officer sees a bicycle rider in a hooded sweatshirt and back pack ride through a unsecured gate and into our steel mill. He pedals around to the shipping department, does something there and then pedals back out teh side gate and down the highway. The patrol officer in his vehicle sees all of this. Does he drive over to the bike rider and question him about why he came in an unauthorized gate and what he was doing in the plant? Did he stop the rider as he was leaving? Noooooo. He calls me on the radio and asks me to call 911 and have a deputy see if they can find the guy pedaling down the road, pull him over and ask what he was doing in our plant and if he stole anything. WHAT THE FRACK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE DOING ON PATROL?!?!?!?!?! THERE IS NO FRACKING WAY I'M CALLING THE POLICE FOR THIS YOU SORRY PIECE OF CRAP!!!!!
          AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          I'm fat and I know it but I can get around, climb stairs and walk parking lots withthe best of them. We have guards who are so big that they get winded just walking 100 feet from their car to the chair in the guard shack. One SO fell out of her chair about a month ago. She lay on the floor unable to get herself up like a turtle. She wasn't hurt but she was too fat to get herself up. Her 80 year old partner was there but he is barely able to get out of his own chair and when he bent over to pull her up off the floor he nearly went down himself. The scale operator was in the scalehouse down the hall (building is shared with scales at one end, a hall with utilities, then the security office/guard shack). The scale operator and her boyfriend, who was on his lunch break with her, ran down the hall and the 2 of them managed to get the old SO back in his chair and the fat SO off the floor and back in her chair where she sat gasping for an hour.
          I've mentioned in the thread about Garage Problems that we have stopped enforcing parking violations. The reason is that the majority of the officers are unwilling or UNABLE to get out of the guard shack or out of their partol vehicle and tell someone "Maam, I'm afraid you parked in a restricted area. Would you mind pulling over to that section right over there so we can keep this zone clear? Thanks". The Site Supervisor and the guy in charge of security for the plant, the FSO, have decided that it's better to tell me just to forget enforcing the parking then to have other shifts DO THEIR JOBS.
          The old guy who sleeps his whole shift and patrols on a rigid set schedule? I was out on a medical run one night and see him drive past me in his patro van. It was time for his patrol and he had left the front gate and desk unoccupied, phone ringing and sign in sheets just sitting there. When I got back to the desk I wrote him up and turned in the paper work to the Site Supervisor the next morning. I was told to forget it. Something about the company is afraid of being sued for age discrimination or something so they won't get rid of him. I'm the Shift Supervisor but I'm unable to supervise most of my Officers since I can't get any support from above.
          So if you have something against "wannabes" then send them my way. I'll take someone who is proud to put on a uniform and look sharp. I'll take someone who is willing to stay up for 12 hours, who will actually go on partols With A Flashlight and if necessary will question suspicious persons and escort them out of a restricted area. Someone who won't say they are going on patrol and will drive out behind a building and go to sleep for 2 hours.
          I'm looking to quit my job. Why? Because, frankly, I'm sick of working with, and for, "neverbes". We will never get a pay raise because most of the staff aren't worth the $8.50 to $10.50 an hour they are getting now. You can have the Neverbes. I'd welcome a Wannabe.


          PS... If I seem a little peeved off in this post then you read it right. Sorry for any typos.
          Last edited by EMTGuard; 02-11-2008, 11:36 AM.
          Hospital Security Officer

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          • #20
            I like to remind the wannabes that someday, if they finish college and apply for a cop job, the department will be calling me for a reference. I ask them what they think their chances of becoming a cop are if they can't handle a security job.

            Not long ago, I spoke with an investigator doing a background on a former employee. Since the employee signed a release, I was able to tell the investigator that the officer in question constantly talked on a cell phone while on rounds in a public area, watched videos and played on the computer 1/2 of the time, responded slowly to calls for service, and came in 10-15 minutes late on a regular basis. The employee quit a day before the termination paperwork was approved.

            I don't think the wannabe got the job.
            "Striking terrific terror in the hearts of criminals everywhere" Since 1977.

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            • #21
              For all their intelligence they are completely lacking in Common sence.
              I say, let them learn the hard way... either that or pull rank.
              Ewfr 'Gomulee - EuwFer 'Gom-You-Lee
              Court Security Officer - Her Majesty's Courts Service HMCS

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              • #22
                I flew out to interview today for some of those for the DC Security jobs and took nobody. Not so much wannabes but when I said "we expect you to be at your gate house on either side of the road (1 each door) actually standing there under the shelter 2 of them up and walked out telling me you can't make me stand up for 1 hour at a time. THIS IS A CONTRACT SECURITY COMPANY PROVIDING STAFF for our contract. They have to end of the month to get me a minimum 30 S/O's screened and ready to start in March - I currently have ZERO.

                As I posted previously, the day I used a patrol car and found the OIL light on and the sump dryer than the Gobi Desert, I hit the roof and wanted to know WHY the car had been signed off as checked and found the same 2 idiots earing double time on a Sunday (which was o/t) and could have gone to a casual for 12 hours with nothing done in that time.

                I worked with 1 70something old bugger who did 1 day every 2 weeks. I would work with him ANYTIME as whilst he was age challenged, he knew procedures back to front, was fitter than the sports lovers and a grandpa to 15 kids so was happy to work 2-3 days a month away from his wife.

                But I know your discrimination laws are crazy in the USA with affirmative action (except for women only roles like bra fitters), but is their not some basic fitness test involved ? What doctor would medically assess someone as being fit for duty and to be honest if they go down on the job they are in for a nice workers compensation claim as well as others around them who assist the victims. EMT - I feel your pain and frustration as once upon a time, a colleague could pull someone aside and and say "listen up meathead - your lazz butt is affecting me so if you don't want me to be on your back - do something for 12 hours". Now they run off and say "Bad Oz - was rude to me about being a lazy SO and SO.

                A wannabe ............. well they will sort themselves out and come and go but people who want to cruise in a cushy job until retirement is asking for trouble. I don't believe in leaving S/O's in sites for years on end as complacent and ego becomes an issue with them as well as bad staff make bad decisions often in cases like this.

                Not sure about the USA - but if I give a reference from ABC company that Little Oz was a good worker and hard worker whom we all loved dearly but was sad to see go and Little Oz is found out to be a lazy butted SOB then that company CAN sue me for misreprensation (civil claim). Hence why companies will say "yes he worked here from 2004 - 2007 and he was employed in this role.
                "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                • #23
                  heh, I'll do the job.
                  I've been stood up in the same spot for 8 hours before.

                  Get me a permit to work and some training and I'm yours :P
                  Ewfr 'Gomulee - EuwFer 'Gom-You-Lee
                  Court Security Officer - Her Majesty's Courts Service HMCS

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Badge714 View Post
                    I like to remind the wannabes that someday, if they finish college and apply for a cop job, the department will be calling me for a reference. I ask them what they think their chances of becoming a cop are if they can't handle a security job.

                    Not long ago, I spoke with an investigator doing a background on a former employee. Since the employee signed a release, I was able to tell the investigator that the officer in question constantly talked on a cell phone while on rounds in a public area, watched videos and played on the computer 1/2 of the time, responded slowly to calls for service, and came in 10-15 minutes late on a regular basis. The employee quit a day before the termination paperwork was approved.

                    I don't think the wannabe got the job.
                    HA HA, funny. Just a couple of points though. First, those standard release forms limit the company and personal liability, but do not eliminate them entirely (but you do not have anything to worry about). Just the cost of defending yourself in the future does not justify the pleasure of the 'gotcha'. And second, the way industry has thought, maybe since the start of time, is not to give a heads up on a bad employee so it will hurt your competition

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