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    At our site, we constantly get new hires who are police science majors at a nearby state college. I have seen these young men in action here at our college. They have no qualms in telling you that they will be LEO's very soon. They also do not take guidence from the client or senior officers(who by the way have been peace officers), or the site supervisor. These guys think that they know all there is to know. They actually refuse to follow post orders when they feel the orders are wrong. My question is this: does anyone else have these problems and how do you keep these guys from getting themselves arrested for impersonation?
    Murphy was an optomist.

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    Originally posted by jeff194307 View Post
    At our site, we constantly get new hires who are police science majors at a nearby state college. I have seen these young men in action here at our college. They have no qualms in telling you that they will be LEO's very soon. They also do not take guidence from the client or senior officers(who by the way have been peace officers), or the site supervisor. These guys think that they know all there is to know. They actually refuse to follow post orders when they feel the orders are wrong. My question is this: does anyone else have these problems and how do you keep these guys from getting themselves arrested for impersonation?
    You can't keep an idiot from being an idiot sometimes. Sometimes you can talk sense to people, sometimes you can't, wish I had more advice to offer you.

    At my job (a college) we are peace officers, usually the older guys have a good bit of police and/or military experience, the younger guys are either fresh out of the academy, or fresh out of the military.

    The "Fresh out of the Academy" guys are always a challenge because they still have that idealistic (usually TV driven) idea of what police work is.

    I joke with my Chief that some of the new kids "Saw the word POLICE but didn't see the word COLLEGE right in front of it" when before they applied to the job. In most cases the newbie wanted to be Police, any kind of Police so bad that he took the 1st job offer they could, which is how we got stuck with them. The older guys have "been there and done that" and don't miss being Street Cops because they know how much BS you have to deal with.

    Which is why I feel your pain, because in my experience nothing you can do is going to show them the light. We have guys leave, go work for a City PD or County Sheriff, a few years later after the shine wears off (and after TONS of paperwork, being a street cop is about pushing more paper than a secretary lol) some of them try to come back.

    Because now THEY "been there ad done that" and know how good it is here with the District, where you still get to be Police, but with a lot less BS and paperwork lol.

    Until your young guys have those experiences for themselves, nothing you say will help for most of them. It's basically a maturity issue. Only thing you can do is remind them that they have a job to do NOW regardless of where they think they'll be in the future....
    ~Black Caesar~
    Corbier's Commandos

    " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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    • #3
      Don't wanna follow the post orders or listen tp the senior officers??? I'd be saying smarten up and do what you're told! or don't let the door hit you on the way out
      I'm the guy you don't want to be around when your doing something wrong, but you can't wait for me to get there when your down, to fix you up...

      If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

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      • #4
        I am a police academy instructor and a field training officer. I see this sort of thing all the time. The best cure is time and an old fashioned bar fight a$$ whipping.

        Some of the college students I arrest claim to be CJ majors, pre law, or law students. Every single one claims to know my job better than me. I just smile, nod, cuff them, and put them on the book. Reality usually sets in when they see and smell the drunk tank.
        I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
        -Lieutenant Commander Data
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        • #5
          How do you educate a teenager about knowing it all? You don't, you can't. Only time, maturity and experience will resolve the problem.
          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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          • #6
            The majority of these young folks have never had military training or forgot what they learned. The first time they decide to barge in thinking the are "Jose the Bad One," they'll soon learn to their discomfort there is always someone more bad than they. The only problem with their first encounter will be another officer or innocent civilian getting wrapped up in it and hurt. "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
            Mr. Security is correct, maturity is a good teacher that is if the slow learner lives that long.
            Enjoy the day,
            Bill

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
              How do you educate a teenager about knowing it all? You don't, you can't. Only time, maturity and experience will resolve the problem.
              You hit the nail on the head!
              "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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              • #8
                Actually I recall 3 idiots like this (many others just fell into the pool of insignificant people). Attitude and Aptitude are paramount to this industry and as I have posted before - yes I have worked as relief manager in my old p/t uniform days and yes I have gone to help out but sometimes you need to be the newbie and learn from the others who have been there longer.

                (1) He was a bloke who washed out of the accademy giving some BS excuse of well I had to leave. It is basically 12 months with 2 x 3 months home learning stints and 2 x 3 month inhouse training. I had 4 shifts with him where I wanted to choke the living crap out of him. Everything said or done was corrected and I once referred to OC spray as Mace and we heard about it for 30 minutes. He never went back to the police as he was mentally unstable and is now a carpark security guard.

                (2) He was a former city ranger (local park, parking and rubbish enforcement) when he came under my control as division manager. He had everyone furious at his arrogance and he would preach ordinance codes which were irrelevent and was advised - STFU and follow the program. He was eventually fired for threatening a staff member with arrest and now works as a shopping centre s/o.

                (3) He was a professional wannabe who claimed all his friends were police officers who told him he was perfect for the job since he was the best shooter, best driver and was the most intelligent person around. He was a contract s/o under my control with 30 other bodies and without fail he would always annoy or upset someone every shift. Being the client, I tried to settle things onsite, but turned on me so I ordered him offsite. He never lasted with the company as no1 else wanted to work with him either. He never became a police officer as he was washed out within the home study component.
                "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                • #9
                  I was one myself! I started in private security while taking a 3 year Police Technology course at college. It took a few years. I discovered things like LE are supposed to enforce all laws equally. Whereas private security is supposed to protect the company that is paying them.
                  I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                  Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                  • #10
                    I guess I am a "wannabe" since I want to be a cop... but oh well. Lol
                    "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SecureTN View Post
                      I guess I am a "wannabe" since I want to be a cop... but oh well. Lol
                      Nothing wrong with that. As a CO you're well on your way. The problem is when a SO oversteps his/her authority or when a LEO believes that all SO's wannabe cops.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JB diligence View Post
                        Don't wanna follow the post orders or listen to the senior officers??? I'd be saying smarten up and do what you're told! or don't let the door hit you on the way out

                        The thing that most of these "wanna-be's" need to realize is, that their future department will come to you and ask for a reference. If it is not a good one they will continue to be working in security. I tell everyone that works for me that what they do now makes the difference in their future law enforcement career. Another motivator is disciplinary action. Write them up a few times and see what happens. That usually straightens them out.
                        "If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm."
                        -Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
                          Nothing wrong with that. As a CO you're well on your way. The problem is when a SO oversteps his/her authority or when a LEO believes that all SO's wannabe cops.


                          Well said.
                          "If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm."
                          -Vince Lombardi

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                          • #14
                            I won't hire wanna bes and if someone comes in that has fooled me they learn that I don't put up with that real quick.

                            As for someone that didn't listen to me or their senior officers? I would enter into progressive discipline with them. I would give them clear instructions on the expectations complete with the penalties for not following them.

                            I do not revel in firing anyone. However, if someone gets a couple of chances and still doesn't go along with the program, they need to find a place that is a better fit.

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                            • #15
                              Good inputs from all. There is one additional little catch, the guy is well liked by the client.
                              Murphy was an optomist.

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