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    Domestic dispute leads to shooting
    After the Orange County Sheriff's Office got an early morning call for a domestic dispute in Lake of the Woods yesterday, a security guard went to investigate, according to state police.
    When the guard got to the residence where the dispute was suspected, around 12:37 a.m., he heard arguing and knocked on the door, said Sgt. F.L. Tyler of the state police.
    The man who answered the door at the house in Locust Grove on Wilderness Drive "became combative with the security guard," Tyler said, and then he assaulted the security guard.
    Tyler said the guard then pulled his weapon and shot the man in his hip.
    He said the injuries did not appear to be life-threatening and the state police are investigating the call.
    Charges are yet to be filed and state police are not releasing names of anyone involved because the incident is under investigation, Tyler said.
    --Ellen Biltz
    Last edited by bigdog; 01-21-2008, 04:37 PM.
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    Sssoooooo??????.... The dispatcher got the call and instead of sending a Deputy they called a security service to check it out for them? Now that's what I call outsourcing.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by EMTGuard View Post
      Sssoooooo??????.... The dispatcher got the call and instead of sending a Deputy they called a security service to check it out for them? Now that's what I call outsourcing.
      My sentiments exactly.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by EMTGuard View Post
        Sssoooooo??????.... The dispatcher got the call and instead of sending a Deputy they called a security service to check it out for them? Now that's what I call outsourcing.
        from the lake of the woods website

        Lake of the Woods is a private, planned residential community located in the northeastern tip of Orange County, Virginia. The community encompasses 2,600 acres, 4260 individual lots, and includes 3 lakes -- a 500-acre lake for boating, fishing, and water/beach related activities, a 25-acre lake primarily for fishing and non-powered boating, and a small front entrance pond which acts as a sediment retention basin and provides an excellent spot for the annual children's fishing tournament. Lake of the Woods is located 15 miles west of Fredericksburg, VA, 18 miles east of Culpeper, VA, and 25 miles northeast of the county seat of Orange


        Security services are provided under contract by Dodson Security Services, Inc. The contract is reviewed every three years. The security force is responsible for the protection of LOWA assets and the enforcement of Code of Virginia statutes related to operation of motor vehicles on our roads. They also control entrance into the Lake with one full time manned gate and one unmanned back gate (located on Rt. 601). Their primary responsibility is the protection of LOWA assets. They are considered to be "special police officers" and are recognized by Orange County as "conservators of the peace".
        (This may be why the sheriffs department called the security force, but what I find funny is the statement under it)

        The Orange County Sheriff's Office, in conjunction with the Virginia State Police, are called, as needed for the investigation of criminal offenses occurring within LOW.
        Last edited by bigdog; 01-21-2008, 08:06 PM.
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        • #5
          I'm going to place my bet, with the thoughts of said security officer had a scanner. Instead of waiting for the Sheriff's office, decided to go investigate himself. Someone obviously didn't train him on the fact, that domestics being one of the most dangerous calls.

          I HIGHLY doubt, the Sheriff's office called the company to respond to the address.
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          • #6
            My guess would be that it was originally a noise complaint from a neighbour and that the police were quite busy and didn't want to send someone simply to tell them to "shut the hell up" and called the security company.

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            • #7
              I have been called by the local police. If there is a 911 hang up, if the alarm company calls them about a breach, or if there is a minor disturbance reported on my site; they will call me and ask that I check the situation and advise them as to whether or not they need to come out.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bigshotceo View Post
                My guess would be that it was originally a noise complaint from a neighbour and that the police were quite busy and didn't want to send someone simply to tell them to "shut the hell up" and called the security company.
                That's a pretty good guess.

                Private communities typically present "gray zones", where there is both crossover and intermingling of the public and the private policing functions. The private police patrol the community to suppress crime, control access to the community, enforce community regulations and handle "lower-grade" public offenses - such as noise complaints and other misdemeanors. In some communities, they run radar, issue citations and even work minor traffic accidents. Sometimes the security force provides "first responder" level emergency medical response. The public police would respond to felony crimes-in-progress and crime scenes, injury accidents, and other situations of a "higher-level" nature.

                This situation appears to have developed into a "major" situation AFTER the initial call. It is also very likely that there may have been a prior history (domestic disturbances are rarely one-time deals) and the security force may have been to the residence numerous times before to quiet things down without adverse incident, but this time things got out of control.

                All of that being said, even if it is considered the legitimate responsibility of the security force to handle domestic disputes, these should ALWAYS be handled with no less than two officers.
                Last edited by SecTrainer; 01-22-2008, 08:08 AM.
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                • #9
                  Fredricksburg.com article

                  Same as posted, I just posted this so y'all can take a gander at the "comments" (if you can call em that).

                  By the way, they call them "LOW Security" lol. Thats an....unfortunate acronym to say the least ...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
                    Fredricksburg.com article

                    Same as posted, I just posted this so y'all can take a gander at the "comments" (if you can call em that).

                    By the way, they call them "LOW Security" lol. Thats an....unfortunate acronym to say the least ...
                    Seems like most support their security. Should be an interesting outcome.
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                    • #11
                      Did we all miss the SCOP status? They're special state police officers, which is why 911 dispatched them. I thought we had more VA folks here, one of them should of picked up on this.

                      It's the equivalent of a NC Special Police officer responding to a call. I doubt he "heard it on the scanner" and decided to play hero. He is a law enforcement officer under state law, empowered to enforce the laws of the state of Virginia on his commissioned property, and acts as a special state LEO.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                        Did we all miss the SCOP status?
                        Nope, it had already been brought up.
                        "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
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                        • #13
                          Been doing some cursory internet research. Virginia is an odd case it seems.

                          SCOP FAQ

                          SCOP Regs

                          Armed Security Officer FAQ

                          Armed Security officer course is 40 hours. SCOP training is 40 hours and looks damn near the same. Both get about 4-8 hours of "Use of Force" (not nearly enough). The only regulatory difference I can find is that the SCOP or his employer has to pay a surety bond to the state ($10,000).

                          Were it up to me (ie If I were the State of Virginia lol), SCOP would at least be 40 hours of training on top of the 40 needed for Armed S/O. 80 hours at the minimum. That's only 2 weeks but it's better than what they do now.

                          40 hours is maybe enough for a security officer who is armed only for self defense and has no more public authority than a regular citizen (Like I was, it was about 40 hours of training when I was an Armed CPO for Wackenhut here in Texas, as a Private S/O I had the same authority as every private citizen), but for someone with public police authority (like a SCOP), there should be more required in my opinion. Personally I'm a big fan of how Virginia's neighbor to the South (North Carolina) does it's Company Police. In North Carolina (like in Texas) You know if you see an Officer wearing a patch that says "police", he's been through the full Police Academy ride.

                          I just don't like it when states allow people to have just enough training to be dangerous. Saying oh, "he's only doing security so he doesn't need to know as much as a Cop" should be considered an insult to any of you guys in Private Security, but especially those of you with Public Authority......
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                          It's like they USED to have private police, but while a couple of those agencies are still listed with the Criminal Justice Registry, none of them continue to call them self police departments. For example the King's Dominion Park Police just call itself the "Paramount King's Dominion Security Dept". Likewise the Mount Vernon Estate Police doesn't use the word police anymore. I'm thinking there was a law change and/or crack down somewhere along the line on who could and couldn't use the term "police".

                          Found this interesting Page of Conservator of the Peace Patches
                          Last edited by Black Caesar; 01-22-2008, 04:30 PM.
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