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  • #31
    What state are you in?

    And what was the exact reason you were terminated?

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    • #32
      Just a thought

      Ever hear the expression: "Won the battle but lost the war"

      If you pursue this case legally, other security companies may shy away from hiring you out of fear from possible litigation. Let's assume you win and are reinstated with back wages. Will you be happy working for a company that doesn't want or appreciate you?

      If you are unhappy and decide to find other security employment will anyone hire you? (Falsely labeled as a trouble maker, boat rocker, etc.)

      Sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on.
      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
        Ever hear the expression: "Won the battle but lost the war"

        If you pursue this case legally, other security companies may shy away from hiring you out of fear from possible litigation. Let's assume you win and are reinstated with back wages. Will you be happy working for a company that doesn't want or appreciate you?

        If you are unhappy and decide to find other security employment will anyone hire you? (Falsely labeled as a trouble maker, boat rocker, etc.)

        Sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on.
        This type of thinking is why people needed unions in the first place. Someone will hire this guy if he goes through with this. Someone either needs a warm body, or needs a high speed tacticool operator. Either that, or someone just needs a guy with the balls to stand up for what is right.

        I would prefer a guy who stands up to people, I know I can put him places that other guards would cave in and do things that I don't want them doing. Things that could get me litigated into next year, things that could get me thrown in jail.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
          This type of thinking is why people needed unions in the first place. Someone will hire this guy if he goes through with this. Someone either needs a warm body, or needs a high speed tacticool operator. Either that, or someone just needs a guy with the balls to stand up for what is right.

          I would prefer a guy who stands up to people, I know I can put him places that other guards would cave in and do things that I don't want them doing. Things that could get me litigated into next year, things that could get me thrown in jail.
          No need for you to get bent out of shape - it was simply an observation, one that you clearly, right or wrong, don't share.
          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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          • #35
            My .02:

            My biggest fear of those wearing body armor is that they would get the false sense of security in thinking they can't be injured, and perhaps take more foolish chances. Has happened in the past. But for the majority of us(myself included), we wear it in a passive protective role, for what we can't see coming or what is unexpected. I wore my vest for years, and all it saved me from was when someone tried to whap me with a beer bottle between the shoulder blades, but at least it protected me from something!

            Sounds like your new LT is a boy wonder who moved up in a quick hurry. Reading on, I agree with the rest, in that you just ought to tell that company to blow it out their whazoo, and seek employment elsewhere. They'll make fools out of themselves in no time at all. BTDT.

            FYI: So many private security agencies, especially those nationwide ones, actually do not give a tinker's damn about the safety, professionalism, or image of their employees. All they care about are high profit margins, and count on a 300% turnover every year to keep wages low and profits up. As a result, all you get are these bozos who give security the bad rap it gets. A never ending vicious cycle.
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            • #36
              OK, WTH... Here's my thoughts;

              1) I'm thinking this Lt. has a rather narrow field of view towards security. He SHOULD know the periphiral (sp?) advantages to wearing a vest. Personally, I would've told him it was a dual threat vest (STAB/Ballistic) and go on to state the fact that more people are assualted with edged weapons than shot. After all as a former LEO he would know and understand. If I had one, somethings you can bluff. That brings us to his narrow view on security... "It's JUST security you don't need a vest...."

              2) Rats don't jump ship without a good reason... If the entire command staff all left within a similar time frame I'd already be filling out applications else where.

              But hindsight is always 20/20... Don't beat yourself up, I don't recall the memner who mentioned it (several times) but the issue of boxer vs. briefs it all to clear.



              Good on you for standing your ground...
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              • #37
                I was finally able to speak with an officer from OSHA. He informed me that currently ballistic vests are outside of their jurisdiction. He encouraged me to get in contact with licensing board for the state. I started with my Lethal Weapons Training instrutor who referred me to the The Municipal Police Officer's Education and Training Commission (MPOETC), who heads up training for armed security.

                At this point, if I choose to file a lawsuit against the company it will be be based on the fact that I was suspended for refusing to remove my shirt for the supervisor.

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                • #38
                  Yes vests can give you a false sense of security and ask anyone who was a Huey pilot and find their flak vests were uses as seat cushions since they were useless if you copped a shot in the head and with heavy AA fire, the undercarriage presented a far bigger target to enermy fire. As I was told working CPP - you are vulnerable taking a shower, pitstop and getting dressed or getting in and out of a motorvehicle. Most companies will find an excuse to cover themselves for their HR decisions and in our industry, often the ego gets in the way of the decision.
                  "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                  • #39
                    I beg to differ - flak vests worked.
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                    • #40
                      Won't argue there Curtis - but my point was, there is limited coverage so unless we are thinking of the kevlar coats from Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man movie (yes I know it is bogus), it does not mean anyone is invincible and I do know VIP's who have refused to wear them due to comfort factors or ego in high risk environments. Now if I was in an active area, I would be wearing everything I could as a 2nd chance - even the flak underpants WWII fighter crews had the option of wearing (I never said how they had a pitstop mid flight).
                      "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
                        I beg to differ - flak vests worked.
                        I concur. Saved my butt a couple of times. Just wished they were twenty pounds lighter. Just for the record I don't know of anyone that sat on their helmet while flying to prevent flak from as stated in the movie Apocalypse Now severing their pvt parts. Most as I did sat on their flak jacket while 500 feet or more.
                        Speaking of movies most misinformation comes from them. Robert Duval standing on the hot beach spouting about napalm, John Wayne standing in the middle of a fire fight barking orders and Mel Gibson standing during a very close range fire fight barking orders while all his men are prone shooting and dyeing around him. Lets see in real life if you are the VC then who would you shoot first?? Hmmmm
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                        • #42
                          I even had one of my bosses yell at me for wearing a black undershirt. It might be mistaken for a vest. I"ll be wearing it to the graveyard shift at the casino tonight. Don't expect the boss to stop by. And yes, I'll leave this company, just waiting to hear back about another position.

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