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    I'm curious if any security guards have avoided any traffic tickets by asking the policeman for professional courtesy because you are a security guard.

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    Both as a Security Officer, and as a Correctional Officer I have "avoided" a ticket because of my uniform, but have never asked for professional Coutesy, IMHO that is rude and unprofessional. If the Officer says beat it, I beat it, if he says sign here, I sign! lol
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    • #3
      My brother is a police officer and was pulled over in his POV. He had an FOP insignia on the license plate and the cop asked if he were a police officer. He got a ticket. He didn't ask for PC nor did he contest the ticket.

      I don't think it's a good idea to ask for a break. Your odds are better by not asking and hoping for the best.
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      • #4
        If an SO asks for "professional courtesy" he is more likely to get a ticket. We're not police officers.
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        • #5
          If I stop an S/O in uniform, I'll probably let them off with a warning. If an S/O tries to use his status to avoid a ticket, they'll probably get written.
          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
            If I stop an S/O in uniform, I'll probably let them off with a warning. If an S/O tries to use his status to avoid a ticket, they'll probably get written.
            Wow. If you're going to write the citation, write it - based on the nature and circumstances of the violation. If you're going to issue a warning, do that for the same reasons.

            It's unethical to use your discretionary authority to reward or to punish a driver based on whether or not they happen to satisfy your personal arbitrary preferences in this particular respect, which has nothing to do with the violation itself. You might as well base your decision on whether or not they happen to call you "sir".
            Last edited by SecTrainer; 01-06-2008, 09:18 PM.
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            • #7
              I have been traffic'ed 3 times while in uniform, twice for speeding a few miles (less than 10) above the limit and once for running a stop sign (completely accidental). I do not know if I received P, but I have a strong belief that I did - the change of demeanor of all of the officers was noticable once they saw my uniform. They let off with a warning all 3 times, which I am not sure would have happened if I was the average joe (especially since I was driving a sports car).

              If you ask for PC, you will probably be chewed out pretty good, and definitely get a ticket. I was ready to accept the tickets, and I felt pretty bad that I may have gotten off just because of my job.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Just_Some_Guy View Post
                I have been traffic'ed 3 times while in uniform, twice for speeding a few miles (less than 10) above the limit and once for running a stop sign (completely accidental). I do not know if I received P, but I have a strong belief that I did - the change of demeanor of all of the officers was noticable once they saw my uniform. They let off with a warning all 3 times, which I am not sure would have happened if I was the average joe (especially since I was driving a sports car).

                If you ask for PC, you will probably be chewed out pretty good, and definitely get a ticket. I was ready to accept the tickets, and I felt pretty bad that I may have gotten off just because of my job.
                I'll accept the fine on the counties behalf, if it will make you feel better.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
                  If I stop an S/O in uniform, I'll probably let them off with a warning.
                  Are you even a police officer?
                  Last edited by Security; 01-06-2008, 10:12 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Security View Post
                    Are you even a police officer?
                    Hi welcome to the forum....I say that because if you've been around paying attention you would know that BHR is a reserve officer for a LE agency. So he very well might pull a SO over.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Security View Post
                      Are you even a police officer?
                      Lawson's a Reserve cop.
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                      • #12
                        Professional Courtesy

                        is a joke between LE and SO. They are two completely different planes of work. Yes, we share similar goals, but we are in no way the same. I would appreciate the professional courtesy, but I do not expect it. It is just the same as an LEO coming on my property. If he is not a resident and is not responding to a legitimate police situation, Texas law affords me the right to tell him to bugger off and leave. Of course, this means he will hover outside until I am off the clock so I can get pulled over and get the 3rd degree (personal experience.)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
                          Wow. If you're going to write the citation, write it - based on the nature and circumstances of the violation. If you're going to issue a warning, do that for the same reasons.

                          It's unethical to use your discretionary authority to reward or to punish a driver based on whether or not they happen to satisfy your personal arbitrary preferences in this particular respect, which has nothing to do with the violation itself. You might as well base your decision on whether or not they happen to call you "sir".
                          When I stop someone, I can use my discretion to issue or not issue an infraction. There is a lot times when I may choose not to issue an infraction, more often than not actually. Professional courtesy, in my opinion, is NOT unethical.

                          I am not rewarding or punishing anyone by choosing to or not to issue an infraction. As a law enforcement officer, my role is to use my judgement to choose an action which I feel will best correct the situation that has occured. My role is not to "deal out punishment" as some would believe. I am not giving someone a reward by not issuing them a citation. I feel that most police and security officers, given their role in protective services, understand that they have committed the violation and it needs to be corrected simply by my word with no further action. If I choose to issue an infraction, it is not because I am pissed off and want to punish someone, it is because I feel that my word alone will not be enough to correct the situation and a monetary penalty would be the best course of action.

                          I am not the one saying "You have to pay x and x and x amount of money." The court system is. It is up to the courts to punish. If they feel my infraction is NOT the best course of action, they will dismiss it.
                          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                          "The Curve" 1998

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gcmc security part 2 View Post
                            Hi welcome to the forum....I say that because if you've been around paying attention you would know that BHR is a reserve officer for a LE agency. So he very well might pull a SO over.
                            Well, in his profile he says that he is a security officer, so I think my question was perfectly reasonable.
                            Last edited by Security; 01-06-2008, 10:52 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Security View Post
                              Well, in his profile he says that he is a security officer, so I think my question was perfectly reasonable.
                              Reasonable enough question to me. Yes, I am a police officer on reserve status. In this state a reserve officer is vested with the same authority to cite, detain, arrest, patrol, eat, whatever...

                              On another note, as I thought about it, I dont think I give professional courtesy so much as "professional understanding." Being a security and police officer, it only takes a security or police officer to tell me once "Don't do that." So I naturally expect the same of others in both lines of business.
                              "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                              "The Curve" 1998

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