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  • Mr. Security
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    Is it possible for you to speak with the convenience store owner (Lou-Lou ) and arrange to see the video yourself? If permission is denied, can your girlfriend's attorney subpoena the tape?

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  • Echos13
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    Sounds like you have a decision to make. Weather to pursue this civilly or see if you can get it investigated government wise. Maybe even both. Being made to comply under duress is a violation of due process and one?s civil rights under any circumstances I think. Regardless or weather any party is innocent or not. I do not know the laws that well were you are.

    My brother?s lady friend was falsely accused some years back of an in house problem. After the authorities investigated it and a few law suits were pending the retailer fessed up to being over reactive and wanted to make an example based on little or no facts to support the issues.

    You were correct to cooperate under the circumstances. Granted one would like to have kicked some ass and let the cops show up to sort it out. But you had no idea what kind of resistance in the form of possible weapons or man power you would have faced. And you were in fear of injury for her. Of course taking any kind of action will require the cooperation of your lady friend. Just make sure she knows what is in store for both of you if you decide to take action. You have my support and prayers.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    That whole story makes me quaking mad. What if that was me and my family? Could that happen to just anybody? I hope you see this through to the end and get justice out of it.
    When you get off duty and arrive home to see your pregnant wife shaking and in tears over a telephone call she has received concerning what you did to that person's husband. You have three children and one on the way. That is when you develope an irrational fear that they are vulnerable. The people strike out at your loved ones because they can't strike at you.
    I informed my Chief and was assured the family would be safe and keep doing your job to the best of your ability.
    The lady making the phone call was charged with communicating a threat and intimidation. Her husband went to prison and she made a plea deal because of the children.
    It can and does happen.
    We have Federal Judges, Deputy US Marshals, FBI, ATF and ICE agents under federal protection as a result of doing their jobs, and folks it's only going to get worse. God alone knows just how many state and local security and law enforcement folks are in the same boat.
    N.A, don't hesitate to get a court ordered trap and trace put on your phone should the occasion arise.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    That whole story makes me quaking mad. What if that was me and my family? Could that happen to just anybody? I hope you see this through to the end and get justice out of it.
    Talked to McDonalds Regional Management. The store is a satellite, which means that Lou's word is law there. Lou is the owner of the convience store. The regional manager offered his appologies, and noted that "Lou is Lou."

    Several people on a local forum noted that since she gave them money, there is an implied admission of guilt. My counter to that was this:

    Your in a room, alone, with two larger men who are telling you that you committed a criminal offense, and they want money for it. The door is closed. You are alone. What would you do?

    I stupidly waited for the police, because I was still thinking this was reality, and not some bizzare episode of Must See TV. I was hoping that they'd arrive soon. They were never called, until we called them.

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  • 1stWatch
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    That whole story makes me quaking mad. What if that was me and my family? Could that happen to just anybody? I hope you see this through to the end and get justice out of it.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by hemi444
    NA,
    You are a better man than me because I would have taken a bloody nose or something. Unless it is a L/E I will never let my girlfriend go with someone that approaches her in that matter even if they are LP.
    Good luck with the lawyer
    Thanks. I had a fear less of a bloody nose and more they trying to "prevent her from escaping," or worse, if I did win, what the girls behind the counter have. I'm not bullet proof. And for all the fancy lighting they have, it reminds me alot of an inner-city store.

    27.00 for antifreeze. No kidding. That should explain it all right there.

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  • hemi444
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Civil. This idiot wasn't focused on me. This guy was focused on my girlfriend, both of them.
    NA,
    You are a better man than me because I would have taken a bloody nose or something. Unless it is a L/E I will never let my girlfriend go with someone that approaches her in that matter even if they are LP.
    Good luck with the lawyer

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    .....
    They did not state that we were being detained, they physically surrounded us while seated, blocking our ability to leave, and refused to move when I pushed my chair back. At that time, I was at a tactical disadvantage, and I feared "making a point to get up," as if he knocked me down, it's on, and I don't want my girlfriend hurt.

    I have to find out if these folks ever called KPD. The police officer responding believes they did not....
    These people are pushing it. If they had actual video of your girlfriend shoplifting, the proper procedure is to call the police and if the police investigation revealed a crime, (I'm not saying that she did anything) they would submit a warrant to a judge for your girlfriend's arrest. They have no authority to make an arrest one week after the fact. Blocking you in is illegal, but probably will end-up being a he said-she said situation w/o CCTV or witnesses.

    After you get any information from the police, consulting with an attorney can't hurt. I'd love to be a bug on the wall while her attorney takes a deposition from these two "gentlemen."

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by wisconsinite
    Well, if no Statute would apply, and KPD is unwilling to do anything without video evidence, (which is unlikely to exist), what's left to do? Roll over and play dead? NOT me! One way or another, someone needs to feel the wrath. It's a matter of pride and principle now.
    Civil. Loss of Profit.

    Bill: Unforunately, nobody around here knows I carry a badge, or who I am. There are people on a local (popular) forum who know my name, but it was never given out in this instance. Identifying me is a bit hard, as I take steps to ensure that you can't just "look me up."

    Disclaimer: Yes, I know I'm in Dunn and Bradstreet, and that googling my name gives more than 1,000 hits. But, anyone coming to our apartment for the purposes of stupidity will not be leaving in the same method of arrival.

    This idiot wasn't focused on me. This guy was focused on my girlfriend, both of them. I was, for all intents and purposes, the guy who's always with her.

    That's what made this so unreal. If it were me accused, it would of ended with someone going to jail. But, it was her. Who was scared to death of the men yelling at her, and worse, the police coming and yelling at her, as well.

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  • wisconsinite
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    Well, if no Statute would apply, and KPD is unwilling to do anything without video evidence, (which is unlikely to exist), what's left to do? Roll over and play dead? NOT me! One way or another, someone needs to feel the wrath. It's a matter of pride and principle now.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Did you ask them if you or your girlfriend were under arrest when they insisted that she come with them to see the video? Did they ever say that you were not free to leave or were being detained?

    Since they reported the matter to the police a week before, did officers respond, and if so, did the police assign a case number or make any statements in the narrative for the call?

    Why didn't they try to detain your girlfriend when it allegedly happened?
    N.A., you have a right to have tight jaws. As Mr. Security intimates, they kept you from leaving, denying you freedom of movement which equates to an arrest. I really feel sorry for your girlfriend.
    Something just came to me! Could this have to do with your employment, instant or in the past, any previous arrests of persons who might be related to the unfriendly giant?
    I'd love to know how this comes out.
    Enjoy the day and if possible, gut them like a fish!
    Bill

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Did you ask them if you or your girlfriend were under arrest when they insisted that she come with them to see the video? Did they ever say that you were not free to leave or were being detained?

    Since they reported the matter to the police a week before, did officers respond, and if so, did the police assign a case number or make any statements in the narrative for the call?

    Why didn't they try to detain your girlfriend when it allegedly happened?
    They were doing the rapid speech thing. "You did this. Did you do this? We know you did this. Your going to come with me to see the video, right?" It took about 45 seconds for this to occur.

    They did not state that we were being detained, they physically surrounded us while seated, blocking our ability to leave, and refused to move when I pushed my chair back. At that time, I was at a tactical disadvantage, and I feared "making a point to get up," as if he knocked me down, it's on, and I don't want my girlfriend hurt.

    I have to find out if these folks ever called KPD. The police officer responding believes they did not.

    There is no indication that they ever attempted to detain her as she exited, I was with her during this alleged theft. I am the type of person who is hyper-alert to people who look out of place, so I was aware that we were being observed during our stop in there. However, I've also noticed that the owners observe just about everyone. There was no indication that they wanted to make a stop. The big guy was the type of guy who'd do a running tackle of my girlfriend without announcing, which means it would of not been pretty.

    She believes that this was some sort of extortion, or that they're "Getting even for her theft since we can't charge her." I believe this to be some type of type of stupidity - I'm unsure if its criminal stupidity.

    She's looking into a lawyer for a civil suit. I don't blame her.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by wisconsinite
    Corbier, check out WI Statutes, Chapter 942, which addresses Crimes against reputation and civil liberties. Also check out WI Statute 947.013, which addresses harassment. Then talk with Kenosha PD to see if they can or will charge the 300lb. burger-flipper with any applicable statute. If the PD will, secure a lawyer, take that minimum wage earning disgrace of humanity to the cleaners LMAO.
    Best of Luck!
    I have a date with Kenosha Joint Services to pull up the entire Calls for Service for that address. (Here's a hint: Gas station, McDonalds, Downtown Kenosha, Sheridan Road.)

    I wish this guy was a burger flipper. The big guy worked for the convience store, appeared to be the owner's son.

    That's the big thing. They were OFF property, and this was NOT a breach of the peace.

    I talked with the KPD officer who responded about unlawful detention. He was visibly afraid to touch this issue, most likely because there's no video evidence to back this detention up.

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  • Mr. Security
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    More information about the incident.

    Did you ask them if you or your girlfriend were under arrest when they insisted that she come with them to see the video? Did they ever say that you were not free to leave or were being detained?

    Since they reported the matter to the police a week before, did officers respond, and if so, did the police assign a case number or make any statements in the narrative for the call?

    Why didn't they try to detain your girlfriend when it allegedly happened?

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  • wisconsinite
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    Corbier, check out WI Statutes, Chapter 942, which addresses Crimes against reputation and civil liberties. Also check out WI Statute 947.013, which addresses harassment. Then talk with Kenosha PD to see if they can or will charge the 300lb. burger-flipper with any applicable statute. If the PD will, secure a lawyer, take that minimum wage earning disgrace of humanity to the cleaners LMAO.
    Best of Luck!

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