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    Monday, December 17, 2007

    Security officer shoots armed man www.privateofficer.com



    St. Petersburg Fla. Dec. 17, 2007
    A security officer was forced to shoot a man in the parking lot of a St. Petersburg nursing home after the man retrieved a gun from his vehicle.
    Jacob Michaels, 33, drove his girlfriend and friend to their workplace, Bons Secours Maria Manor Nursing Home, 10300 4th St. N., around 11:30 p.m. Saturday so that the friend could retrieve her car. Michaels waited in the car, according to a St. Petersburg Police press release.
    While he waited, he was approached by Richard Dunn, 41, the nursing home security officer who inquired of that michaels was doing in the vehicle on the property. Michaels, who isn't an employee of the home, became angry and the pair argued. That's when Michaels retrieved a gun from his car and as he approached the security officer, Dunn shot him, twice.
    The wounds are not life threatening, according to police.
    Charges haven't been filed since the shooting appears justified, the press release stated. The case is being reviewed by homicide detectives. And possible charges could be filed against Michaels.

    The guy Committed aggravated assault on a security officer, a second degree felony, and charges only possible?
    Last edited by bigdog; 12-18-2007, 02:32 AM.
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    Originally posted by bigdog View Post
    Monday, December 17, 2007

    Security officer shoots armed man www.privateofficer.com



    St. Petersburg Fla. Dec. 17, 2007
    A security officer was forced to shoot a man in the parking lot of a St. Petersburg nursing home after the man retrieved a gun from his vehicle.
    Jacob Michaels, 33, drove his girlfriend and friend to their workplace, Bons Secours Maria Manor Nursing Home, 10300 4th St. N., around 11:30 p.m. Saturday so that the friend could retrieve her car. Michaels waited in the car, according to a St. Petersburg Police press release.
    While he waited, he was approached by Richard Dunn, 41, the nursing home security officer who inquired of that michaels was doing in the vehicle on the property. Michaels, who isn't an employee of the home, became angry and the pair argued. That's when Michaels retrieved a gun from his car and as he approached the security officer, Dunn shot him, twice.
    The wounds are not life threatening, according to police.
    Charges haven't been filed since the shooting appears justified, the press release stated. The case is being reviewed by homicide detectives. And possible charges could be filed against Michaels.

    The guy Committed aggravated assault on a security officer, a second degree felony, and charges only possible?
    No. Look at the title and read it again. The S/O shot the man. Charges may be filed against the man.
    formerly C&A

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cocknaces View Post
      No. Look at the title and read it again. The S/O shot the man. Charges may be filed against the man.
      I am aware the security officer shot the man. I'm just curious as to why the police told the media that charges were only possible against the man shot and not he will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a security officer .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by bigdog View Post
        I am aware the security officer shot the man. I'm just curious as to why the police told the media that charges were only possible against the man shot and not he will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a security officer .
        My mistake. Could be many things...who the guy knows, elements of the story the media is not reporting, various sundry particulars.
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        • #5
          It's never a good idea to show your hand before you play it. Remember that police public affairs officers are taught to be non-commital, it's not their fault, no Pd wants to seem confused to the public, so if a PAO says "were gonna charge him with X" and he doesn't get charged (or charge with something else) the department looks foolish.

          Private Security companies aren't the only ones who have to worry about their public images lol.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by bigdog View Post
            The wounds are not life threatening, according to police.
            Sounds like the guard could use some range time...
            How much you want to bet that the scumbag sues the guard??
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Badge714 View Post
              Sounds like the guard could use some range time...
              Know that's supposed to be a joke, but He hit him and kept his self alive , thats all that counts.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bigdog View Post
                The wounds are not life threatening, according to police.
                Charges haven't been filed since the shooting appears justified, the press release stated. The case is being reviewed by homicide detectives. And possible charges could be filed against Michaels.

                The guy Committed aggravated assault on a security officer, a second degree felony, and charges only possible?
                Excellent outcome. It's actually better for the officer's long-term mental health and job longevity that the subject wasn't killed. Killing another human being often scars the shooter emotionally, no matter how justified, and some never return to useful duty. You have to be ready to do it if you're armed, but it does have consequences for the shooter.

                Although police typically will not make any commitment in the early stages of their investigation of an incident as to whether, or what, charges will be filed (which is often up to the DA), I'll bet Michaels is charged with one or more felonies.
                Last edited by SecTrainer; 12-18-2007, 09:13 AM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Badge714 View Post
                  Sounds like the guard could use some range time...
                  How much you want to bet that the scumbag sues the guard??
                  In florida if the use of force is justified, under state law the person using defensive force is granted immunity from criminal or civil liability.

                  776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.--
                  (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
                  (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
                  (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigdog View Post
                    In florida if the use of force is justified, under state law the person using defensive force is granted immunity from criminal or civil liability.
                    That's great! Here in Minnesota, we have laws that protect criminals.
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