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  • 4 Dead, 8 Wounded in Twin Church Shootings in Colorado

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316263,00.html

    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — A gunman shot four staff members at a missionary training center near Denver early Sunday, killing two, after being told he couldn't spend the night. About 12 hours later and 65 miles away in Colorado Springs, a gunman fatally shot a parishioner at a megachurch and wounded four other people before a guard killed him, police said.
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  • #2
    Have they figured out whether these incidents were related yet? Last I heard, they weren't sure.
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    • #3
      As stated in the book "Gift of fear" after their is a shooting that gets lots of media attention it promps others do copy cat the incident. The media gives these under achivers what they desire, lot of media coverage. If they want to reduce these types of incidents thay should not use their name but refer to them as the underachiver or something of that nature. Just an idea.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316263,00.html

        COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — A gunman shot four staff members at a missionary training center near Denver early Sunday, killing two, after being told he couldn't spend the night. About 12 hours later and 65 miles away in Colorado Springs, a gunman fatally shot a parishioner at a megachurch and wounded four other people before a guard killed him, police said.
        See the thread on Security and Religion started today.
        "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

        "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

        "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

        "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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        • #5
          4 Dead, 8 Wounded in Twin Church Shootings in Colorado

          Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
          Have they figured out whether these incidents were related yet? Last I heard, they weren't sure.
          Police search house where two brother live ages 22 and 25 . police removed many boxes from the home. they said can't confirm or decline they linked at this time. Both shooters are in there 20' and there waiting for positive ID on the down shooter. Sound like the PD is trying build best case and doesn't want leak anything. But from that I say two brother went on rampage one got double taps and other running scared.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by CAPTAIN KOOLAID View Post
            Police search house where two brother live ages 22 and 25 . police removed many boxes from the home. they said can't confirm or decline they linked at this time. Both shooters are in there 20' and there waiting for positive ID on the down shooter. Sound like the PD is trying build best case and doesn't want leak anything. But from that I say two brother went on rampage one got double taps and other running scared.
            Thanks, CK. If so, may he be found swiftly, resist arrest, and receive the same treatment his brother got. Saves so much bother, and good riddance.
            Last edited by SecTrainer; 12-10-2007, 09:35 AM.
            "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

            "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

            "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

            "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
              Have they figured out whether these incidents were related yet? Last I heard, they weren't sure.
              Sec~
              I heard on Fox News Channel that they very well may be brothers possibly. A search warrant was served at the father's home and items removed.

              Be Safe,

              Hank
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              • #8
                "Colo. Police Search for Link in Attacks"

                The gunman was killed by an armed security volunteer at the church before police arrived, authorities said. [. . .]

                Boyd said the security guard rushed the attacker, who didn't get more than 6 feet inside the building, and "took him down in the hallway."

                "She probably saved 100 lives," Boyd said of the guard. The gunman, he added, "had a lot of ammunition to do a lot of damage."

                About 7,000 people were on the church campus at the time of the shooting, said Boyd. Security had been beefed up after the shootings hours earlier in Arvada, he said.
                http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/...urch_shootings
                Last edited by LPGuy; 12-10-2007, 03:46 PM.

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                • #9
                  Hooray For The Guard

                  Well, finally a great, country-wide, news headline praising a security guard.

                  Guards do their jobs, day in and day out, with minimal fanfare, but with the potential of things going wildly wrong. The police, GOD bless 'em, but everyone knows they can't be everywhere every time something bad happens. Sometimes, they are not even close to the scene of a criminal act when it occurs. In the OMAHA shootings, the police were on scene in SIX minutes, but it was over by then.

                  So, who has to handle the scene until the police arrive, your neighborhood SPIDERMAN? Nope, your everyday guard.

                  The guard in Colorado showed courage under fire, and stopped the killer before he could destroy more lives. She is a HERO, and deserves to be horored as such.

                  Hopefully, this will remind our wonderful politicians that persons in the SECURITY field have an important job to do, and are not just a lazy bunch of idiots who go around pretending to be police wanna-be's.

                  To our hero in Colorado, CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT JOB, WELL DONE.

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                  • #10
                    Well after hearing all the 'experts' and 'nay sayers' following the previous mass shootings in Omaha stating that armed Security wouldn't make a difference, this is certainly a massive slap in the face!

                    It's time to wake up and smell the coffee people! we are living in an increasingly dangerous world, only last week I was toe-to-toe with an offender armed with a blunt instrument... but not for my ASP, I dare not contemplate the outcome.

                    So to all the families effected by this incident go my condolences, but to the Security officer who acted so rapidly/efficiently/professionally there is nothing but praise!
                    "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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                    • #11
                      Hooray for the volunteer who stopped the gunman.
                      I heard this on the morning commute on NPR radio.
                      The only thing that caught my attention is the fact that it wasn't a licensed paid security officer. I wonder if the volunteer was in the security industry and was off duty or simply a parishiner who had a gun at home and decided to bring it to worship and arrainged with the pastor to be a first line of defense.
                      I personally know a guy who was running around south Louisiana in a uniform he put together from Galls and started his own "volunteer security" company. He had no state guard card or any certification at all but was often found sitting at places like fireworks stands in uniform with his pistol on his hip and his marked car nearby. He was cited by the State and forced to stop impersonating a Security Officer.
                      The other thing that caught my interest was that it was on church property. I'm not sure about Colorado law but here in Louisiana bringing a gun into a church is a no no. In fact, when taking classes for the State Concealed Weapons permit citizens are told that churches are a no carry zone along with bars and schools.
                      I'm not trying to bash the person who defended hundreds of citizens with deadly force. I was just trying to put some things together in my head.
                      Hospital Security Officer

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                      • #12
                        Thankfully that armed woman saved many more other lives that day. I really hope we don't go like the USA and have these things happen here but sadly I know it will only be a matter of time before it does.

                        As for copycats ............... oh yeah - if you ever saw the movie Copy Cat you will have a bit of an insight into the minds of the sicko SOB's.

                        EMT when I was visiting friends in Louisiana I went to their church to meet their friends and I was asked 3 times if I was carrying a firearm by the pastor and 2 church elders ............... it was explained to me the state laws (I was on R and R for 3 days after working for 3 weeks).
                        Last edited by NRM_Oz; 12-10-2007, 06:05 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EMTGuard View Post
                          Hooray for the volunteer who stopped the gunman.
                          I heard this on the morning commute on NPR radio.
                          The only thing that caught my attention is the fact that it wasn't a licensed paid security officer. I wonder if the volunteer was in the security industry and was off duty or simply a parishiner who had a gun at home and decided to bring it to worship and arrainged with the pastor to be a first line of defense.
                          I personally know a guy who was running around south Louisiana in a uniform he put together from Galls and started his own "volunteer security" company. He had no state guard card or any certification at all but was often found sitting at places like fireworks stands in uniform with his pistol on his hip and his marked car nearby. He was cited by the State and forced to stop impersonating a Security Officer.
                          The other thing that caught my interest was that it was on church property. I'm not sure about Colorado law but here in Louisiana bringing a gun into a church is a no no. In fact, when taking classes for the State Concealed Weapons permit citizens are told that churches are a no carry zone along with bars and schools.
                          I'm not trying to bash the person who defended hundreds of citizens with deadly force. I was just trying to put some things together in my head.
                          I don't believe Colorado licenses at the state level. Most states authorize an employee to carry a weapon on the business premises at the invite of the employer, either open or concealed carry.

                          I think some cities have armed guard permits. So, if the pastor entered into some sort of business arrangement, it could be perfectly legal for her to carry on the premises.
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                          • #14
                            The guard was an ex Minneapolis cop who had been fired for "truthfulness issues" from the force. She usually serves as the pastor's personal bodyguard.

                            What a world we live in where pastors and churches need armed security.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
                              The guard was an ex Minneapolis cop who had been fired for "truthfulness issues" from the force.
                              Seems some anti-cop group up there keeps records on Minneapolis cops.

                              http://www.charityadvantage.com/CUAPB/JeanneAssam.asp (if that's her of course, but I figure Jeanne Assam is a pretty unique name).

                              4 Civilian Review Cases, no noted IA investigations. Only one of the 4 cases sustained, and that for bad language, 1 day suspension. Not bad actually, no one hires cops to make friends .

                              Of course, this is 2nd hand info from some cop hater group, if she got fired there probably was an IA case (don't know how things are done up there personally).

                              No matter what, she's still tops with me.
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