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  • #31
    A few years ago the State was going to change the industry and have two levils of security. The warm bodys that would be possibley called night watchmen or guards and protection officers. This bill from what I understand was shot down by the Chief of Police asso. Theirs lot's of blame. The State doe's not have enough enforcement of licenses and training. The unethical companies that don't care about the industry and will just move into another industry after they got as much as they can from it. The people who work in the industry themselves for not taking advance training and just reading subject matter regarding the job, or doing stupid things like playing cop. The first thing we can change is ourselves and thats a good start.

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    • #32
      Posted by Dark Metal Wolf, "the average Police Officer empties two mags when two or three rounds would have done the job".

      Where did you get your statistics, or are you just repeating what you heard on TV? My understanding is the average number of shots fired by a police officer is three (at least that's what I was told in the police academy). I would appreciate it if you could share your source of information on the subject.

      Thank you and stay safe.

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      • #33
        Would anyone know what company was protecting this shopping mall? I worked with a guard that was also employed by ERMC, one of the shopping mall security companies. Not only did they not carry fire arms, he told me the company banned their guards from wearing bullet resistant vests! IPC is one of the large, shopping mall only security companies. After interviewing with them this past summer I was informed that certain shopping malls they protect they do have armed officers. Based on my personal experience alone the norm for the SO should be going towards well trained, well supervised, ARMED officers.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DeputyJ View Post
          Posted by Dark Metal Wolf, "the average Police Officer empties two mags when two or three rounds would have done the job".

          Where did you get your statistics, or are you just repeating what you heard on TV? My understanding is the average number of shots fired by a police officer is three (at least that's what I was told in the police academy). I would appreciate it if you could share your source of information on the subject.

          Thank you and stay safe.
          I'm betting there is no source..


          By the way, Force Science Research Institute is IMO one of the best ever sources for the truth. CLICK HERE.
          ~Black Caesar~
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          " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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          • #35
            According to the HR person interviewed on ABC, she is the one who operated the CCTV controls to try to get as much info on the shooter as possible.
            She was one cool customer!
            Having written all of that, what was security's function during all of this? The media has been silent on this matter, thus far.
            Enjoy the day,
            Bill

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            • #36
              Nathan

              Mall Security Expert Mode Where did you get this clowns quote from? Security = CSR's???
              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
                By the way, Force Science Research Institute is IMO one of the best ever sources for the truth. CLICK HERE.
                I will second that.
                "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                • #38
                  Although I agree with those of you that are calling for armed security officers in malls, I can see valid points in some of the arguments from those who oppose the idea. Don't get me wrong, from a business point of view I would love it if our company was flooded with calls for armed service from every mall, department store, supermarket, etc. I can even see it from the point of view of the individual officer, who knows that if some wingnut decides to go on a rampage in their mall, that they are at least equipped with the proper equipment to take action.

                  Unfortunately, it's the average consumer that needs to demand that these malls keep them safe. Currently, the average consumer demands protection, but is not willing to surrender any freedom whatsoever. Can we blame them? As a consumer, I do not want to be forced to go through security screening when I go to the mall to buy a pair of jeans. Although, as a person in the security industry, I have to admit that is almost necessary in this day and age.

                  So, how do we keep the public safe from these threats? How do we maintain the ability to freely walk into a mall without being forced through security screening, yet remain safe while we shop? This is by no means an easy task.

                  Look at Israel... you cannot walk into almost any building without going through a gauntlet of heavily-armed security and a screening process that rivals JFK international airport. Going into the supermarket in Israel requires the same scrutiny as entering a federal building the day after a judge is murdered. Yes, you will be accosted, poked, probed, and more just to get a pack of gum.

                  I may sound as if I am against adding armed security and security screening in malls, but I am absolutely not. I am simply noting that the average person has yet to wake up and see that we have reached the point where we need it.

                  The security officers in the Omaha mall knew they had a serious threat, but they had their hands tied and were forced to "observe and report" while 8 people were murdered. Some security "experts" (most of whom have never worked a day in private security), are already making claims that an armed security force may have resulted in more deaths in the Omaha mall shooting. How the hell do they know? Do they have a magical gift to see into the future? If so, why weren't they warning us beforehand? If the Omaha mall had a competent, armed, well-trained, well-equipped security force, they would of been able to intervene long before the police arrived.

                  *Rant Complete*
                  "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                  • #39
                    If you only knew

                    In response to Minneapolis Security comment about the "homeless" looking officer at Westroads you have no clue what you are talking about. You don't know the officer pictured, and I do have the priveledge of knowing him. Obviously you care more about what the responding officer looks like than if they can handle the task at hand. The officer pictured is one of the most squared away cops I know, and like myself I'll bet he wished he could have done something that day that would have changed the outcome.
                    In addition, you have to be one of the most inconsiderate people in this country to make that statement. You have no idea what this officer does for the department or Omaha's citizens. Also, do you think the victim's families would have cared what the officer or person looked like had we been able to stop this senseless act. I don't, and if my family were there and an officer such as the one pictured took out the shooter I would be thankful.
                    Maybe you should look in the mirror. Oh wait, you are probably just a security guard who wished you could be the officer pictured. Maybe next time you should think before you put your foot in your mouth.

                    Anonymous Omaha Police Officer
                    USAF SECURITY POLICE....AMERICAS 911

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Firemankoz View Post
                      In response to Minneapolis Security comment about the "homeless" looking officer at Westroads you have no clue what you are talking about. You don't know the officer pictured, and I do have the priveledge of knowing him. Obviously you care more about what the responding officer looks like than if they can handle the task at hand. The officer pictured is one of the most squared away cops I know, and like myself I'll bet he wished he could have done something that day that would have changed the outcome.
                      In addition, you have to be one of the most inconsiderate people in this country to make that statement. You have no idea what this officer does for the department or Omaha's citizens. Also, do you think the victim's families would have cared what the officer or person looked like had we been able to stop this senseless act. I don't, and if my family were there and an officer such as the one pictured took out the shooter I would be thankful.
                      Maybe you should look in the mirror. Oh wait, you are probably just a security guard who wished you could be the officer pictured. Maybe next time you should think before you put your foot in your mouth.

                      Anonymous Omaha Police Officer
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                      Originally posted by Firemankoz View Post
                      I am a security Director for Valor at a local mall.
                      Let me assure you the cuffs, the pepper spray are very real!
                      The officers at valor are held to a higher standard. The training one officer who is "enhanced" (cuffs, pepper spray, defensive tactics) is a great amount.
                      You have to remember we live in a post 911 world, we as security officers are being asked to do more then just push carts,( my officers would NEVER do anything like that) we are charged with the protection of multi million dollar malls and the protection of the people who shop with in these walls.

                      Valor Security Officers are also trained to use AED machines and now have quite a few saves because of these machines. Yes some companies have the officers mentioned previously on this thread, but at Valor No Sir.
                      And Liability is the at the front of our training, however Valor Executives realize we can't be running away or hiding from problems in today?s world.

                      We have stepped up to the plate and raised the bar of professionalism for Security Officers around the globe


                      You must be very busy with your full time Mall Security gig and working as an "Anonymous Omaha Police Officer".

                      Maybe this is why you dregged up this thread after a month of no activity.

                      I call them as I see them. He doesn't present a very professional image for a police officer. Thats all I said.
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