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    found this on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnUhTrh7V4

  • #2
    Originally posted by SGTJosh View Post
    I dont see anything illegal about it. It looks like a private community. IF you notice the security officer says "are you a resident here?".
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    • #3
      As to Bigdog's statement, I have to ask why one would ask for POI. I can see reg, maybe, DL is obvious, but why ask a motorist for POI?

      As far as Josh, I ask the following:

      It is hard to read your posts. Please write as if you were writing a report. It makes it easier to read. To which I mean: Use proper words, not shorthand. Use paragraphs. This will enable other users to read your posts more easily, which will mean they'll reply more.
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      • #4
        Amber is the safety colour and tow-trucks, auto club and specialist towers (like bikes) have them as well as security patrols should - be used only as a warning device only. That video was just a pure sales gimmick that to me backfired and would be an embarrassment to the industry - globally. Probably watching too many re-runs of COPS.
        Last edited by NRM_Oz; 12-03-2007, 04:09 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by NRM_Oz View Post
          Amber is the safety colour and tow-trucks, auto club and specialist towers (like bikes) have them as well as security patrols should - be used only as a warning device only. That video was just a pure sales gimmick that to me backfired and would be an embarrassment to the industry - globally. Probably watching too many re-runs of COPS.
          Depends entirely on state statute. Its actually illegal for a licensed security company in Florida to have only amber lights. They must run 50% amber, 50% green.

          Also, I saw no illegal lights in that video. His light bar was amber.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
            As far as Josh, I ask the following:

            It is hard to read your posts. Please write as if you were writing a report. It makes it easier to read. To which I mean: Use proper words, not shorthand. Use paragraphs. This will enable other users to read your posts more easily, which will mean they'll reply more.
            What makes you think he writes his reports any different?
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            • #7
              His light bar was red/amber. And I will bet that he was working a gated HOA which I have heard works slightly different then the normal security. There are a few HOA's in northern California that run red/amber or red/blue one of the 2 and do make vehicle stops for moving violations on HOA property as well as cite for all HOA violations. As far as asking for POI it is most likely also a violation of the association rules to drive on the property with no insurance.

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              • #8
                My thoughts here are .....

                1. The POI, is just odd and unless you have access to DMV records, you're not going to be able to verify if the insurance is current.

                2. I use the registration card, to verify that the vin (last 6) matches what's on the card. Many times car thieves will use a registration card from a previously stolen vehicle. They will take the plates and switch them as well. Alot of work, but if you think about it it's not a bad trick to utilize.

                3. His officer safety was just horrible. For the first 17 seconds, he wasn't even paying attention to the driver. His eyes were busy reading everything the driver handed him. I personally will take a quick glance, and wait till I get back to the car. His back remained turned the whole time, when he finished speaking with the driver. His back remained facing the stopped vehicle while being too busy trying to talk to the camera.

                4. I definitely concur that, this officer has watched way too many episodes of COPS.
                Last edited by BadBoynMD; 12-03-2007, 11:17 AM.
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                • #9
                  I saw nothing illegal about that stop quite frankly. POI is curious to me however. And I concur with the you all, his Officer safety needs a lot of work though.

                  Be Safe,

                  Hank
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                    As far as Josh, I ask the following:

                    It is hard to read your posts. Please write as if you were writing a report. It makes it easier to read. To which I mean: Use proper words, not shorthand. Use paragraphs. This will enable other users to read your posts more easily, which will mean they'll reply more.
                    I honestly tried to follow his post! And couldn't. I got a headache though....

                    Be Safe,

                    Hank
                    " We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle, our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on one hand and of overwhelming force on the other" - General George C. Marshall

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                      As to Bigdog's statement, I have to ask why one would ask for POI. I can see reg, maybe, DL is obvious, but why ask a motorist for POI?

                      As far as Josh, I ask the following:

                      It is hard to read your posts. Please write as if you were writing a report. It makes it easier to read. To which I mean: Use proper words, not shorthand. Use paragraphs. This will enable other users to read your posts more easily, which will mean they'll reply more.
                      I have no Idea why he would ask for proof of insurance. Im pretty sure they don't have law enforcement powers.
                      Last edited by bigdog; 12-03-2007, 01:03 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                        Depends entirely on state statute. Its actually illegal for a licensed security company in Florida to have only amber lights. They must run 50% amber, 50% green.
                        Nathan~
                        Nightly, I still see companies run all amber, even after all this time.
                        I think some are dragging their feet for some reason. Some simply do not want to become more professional I suppose.

                        Be Safe,

                        Hank
                        " We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle, our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on one hand and of overwhelming force on the other" - General George C. Marshall

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
                          Nathan~
                          Nightly, I still see companies run all amber, even after all this time.
                          I think some are dragging their feet for some reason. Some simply do not want to become more professional I suppose.

                          Be Safe,

                          Hank
                          Or the company management doesn't want to spend the money. The security company that patrols my complex, had one of their vic's sitting (on property)for almost a month before they took it to get fixed.
                          "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
                            Nathan~
                            Nightly, I still see companies run all amber, even after all this time.
                            I think some are dragging their feet for some reason. Some simply do not want to become more professional I suppose.

                            Be Safe,

                            Hank
                            Someone should start writing them citations, then. Or reporting them to the state for a violation of 493. This is not a matter of, "Oh, we'll change if we feel like it," this is a matter of, "Chapter 493 makes running any lights other than 50/50 amber/green a rule violation." Period.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                              Someone should start writing them citations, then. Or reporting them to the state for a violation of 493. This is not a matter of, "Oh, we'll change if we feel like it," this is a matter of, "Chapter 493 makes running any lights other than 50/50 amber/green a rule violation." Period.
                              Actually 493 was never changed only the florida traffic code was. The 50/50 light rule is under the traffic code. Thats why security agencies can still run all amber.

                              493.6118 still reads

                              (i) Impersonating, or permitting or aiding and abetting an employee to impersonate, a law enforcement officer or an employee of the state, the United States, or any political subdivision thereof by identifying himself or herself as a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement officer or official representative, by wearing a uniform or presenting or displaying a badge or credentials that would cause a reasonable person to believe that he or she is a law enforcement officer or that he or she has official authority, by displaying any flashing or warning vehicular lights other than amber colored, or by committing any act that is intended to falsely convey official status.
                              Last edited by bigdog; 12-03-2007, 06:42 PM.
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