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    Closer Supervision Of Security Guards

    10,000 Security Guards Face Suspension

  • #2
    Almost sounds similar to our new law up here. Supposed to affect ANYONE conducting security duties in the province of Ontario...

    Must be a Commonwealth thing.
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    • #3
      Anyone looking for a job...

      Looks like the job market in NSW will be looking good for guards just getting in the business.

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      • #4
        Yep - 20 years in the industry and I now have to be assessed by some bright spark - more bloody money to be spent again.

        I saw the RPL - Recognition of Prior Learning Kit and actually read where simple mathematics were involved as with basic English - what a joke. We went through this back in 1999 and again in 2001 and these people have dreams of earning top $$$ but in reality will earn about $30k US. Oh yeah the RPL is about a week's wages take home for the average S/O.

        www.police.nsw.gov.au/sir a link to read more of the changes.
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        • #5
          Notice how bankruptcy and other financial problems will be grounds for banning.

          It sounds like "the industry" is behind the changes, indeed.
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          • #6
            Why would bankrupcy or having to liquidate business be cause to keep someone out of the industry? I am for standards, and better training, but only if it is for REAL reasons, not this feel good [email protected] that serves no purpose other than to make money for the Government.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
              Why would bankrupcy or having to liquidate business be cause to keep someone out of the industry? I am for standards, and better training, but only if it is for REAL reasons, not this feel good [email protected] that serves no purpose other than to make money for the Government.
              "Anyone convicted of violence, drugs or firearms offences, or participating in criminal gangs, will be banned from operating a security business.
              The ban also applies to those who have caused bankruptcy, liquidation or similar in business.
              The Minister for Police, David Campbell, says the new regulations will also make it harder for members of organised crime gangs to operate security services:
              "One of the provisions of these new regulations means that anybody who can clearly be identified as being associated with an outlawed gang can have automatic suspension of their license and exclusion from the industry," he said."

              From what I read is they are trying to discourage organized crime for people starting a business. Individual bankruptcies for security officers are not in question. Those are the people and drive that made America great! Power to the people, freedom of the sout, pass it on, pass it on...

              The only thing that UK or any of its puppet governments are concerned with is taxes. And this is a way to stimulate taxes and thwart possible fraud stealing more of their ill-gotten tax base upon taxes upon further taxes. That is the main reason of the 2:1 UK to USA currency ratio, and a large reason Austrailia is over inflated comparably to USA any way.
              Last edited by ddog; 11-29-2007, 01:39 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ddog View Post
                The only thing that UK or any of its puppet governments are concerned with is taxes. And this is a way to stimulate taxes and thwart possible fraud stealing more of their ill-gotten tax base upon taxes upon further taxes. That is the main reason of the 2:1 UK to USA currency ratio, and a large reason Austrailia is over inflated comparably to USA any way.

                Is there anybody your antagonistic troll mentality isn't geared toward ****ing off?

                Our tax rates are higher than the US because we support a substantial social welfare network, provide medical access to the uninsured etc. and we're hardly a UK puppet nation...
                "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maelstrom View Post
                  Our tax rates are higher than the US because we support a substantial social welfare network, provide medical access to the uninsured etc. and we're hardly a UK puppet nation...
                  How does it make you feel to be taxed up the wazoo to pay for health care and welfare to people who can't/won't earn it themselves?
                  I guess I'll find out exactly how you feel if Hillary and her cronies get into power! <hides wallet>
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Badge714 View Post
                    How does it make you feel to be taxed up the wazoo to pay for health care and welfare to people who can't/won't earn it themselves?
                    Hmmmm... I take much comfort in knowing my family & I have access to decent medical services should we require it, and should I ever lose my current employment, having a social security net to help keep the 'wolves' from the door whilst I find alternative employment is also very reassuring, also you have to remember our infrastructures were designed with socialist ideals to protect the weak, needy & incapacitated


                    Health care provision isn't covered in employment conditions here (like the US), privately it can cost a family $3~5K p.a. (depending on level of cover) which still leaves the difference between what the insurance will pay & the actual bill to shell out (nominally referred to as 'gap' payments)


                    Our unemployment system actively promotes education, additional up-skilling & work-for-the-dole programmes to it's recipients, whilst it investigates, sets out conditions & meters out penalties for those who would abuse the system, it's not perfect by any measure but unlike other nations it doesn't have a physical 'cut-off' period leaving people/families to fend for themselves





                    The first 6K is tax free with each pay bracket paying higher ratios of tax, for example $2850 from an income of $25,000 is around 11.4% however this doesn't factor in deductions etc.


                    Now using the Taxation schedule I found at the IRS website located HERE we'll compare a 25K income...





                    $25,000 - $7550 = $17,450 x 15% = $2,617.50 plus the additional $755 = $3372.50 USD so currently our system is primarily beneficial to lower income earners, however an increased tax-free threshold is being touted along with other reforms in the near future (ie. lower rates overall).
                    Last edited by Maelstrom; 11-29-2007, 11:11 PM.
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                    • #11
                      First, Quebec has also passed a law that will make it necessary for everyone who does security including in-house & bar bouncers to be licenced. The thought is that the government will be able to remove licences if people do things wrong. You probably do not feel the same way in the US because I think your soicety is more "sue them" when something happens. I too am very happy to have medicare & our other social programs even though it means I am partially supporting people who are not working. When I almost lost my foot due to complications from diabetis I was VERY happy to have the government pay the $1000.00 a week cost for the medication. In Canada you can die because too many people are going to the hospitals & tying up the waiting time. In the US people die because they can not afford to go to the hospital. Both systems have it's problems.

                      As for the Commenwealth countries being puppets of the UK, Canada repatriated it's constitution many years ago now. Also, our dollar is now worth more than the US dollar.
                      Last edited by HotelSecurity; 11-30-2007, 02:03 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Maelstrom ............ thanks for the post mate - always wondered EXACTLY the taxes the yanks complain about paying - hell of alot less that me.

                        Hotel Sec ........ hope you got the help you needed for your foot. Our hospitals are clogged up with sore toes, ear infections and people wanting a Dr's Certificate for a sprained ankle. We have clinics an medical centres but you may be charged few dollars for these and many people won't pay $5.00 extra to see a Dr for his / her help. We pay a 1.5% levy on our wages for the public health system and if you need help you don't need to wave medical insurance coverage before being admitted.

                        Dog ........ you are talking through your hat and this has nothing to do with taxes - it is about regulating a system where anyone can wear a uniform and work a detail. I once rang my boss and pulled our team off a site because the thugs we were working with admitted they did not have any licences and had been hired due to their size and appearance.

                        In 1999 NSW Police introduced the mandatory licencing of all casino security, crowd controllers and the like with the law of everyone to be fingerprinted and must display their licence whilst on duty. Too many shonky training companies had allowed people with no english, were sadly illiterate or who suffered from mentals disorders to get into our industry. I cannot recall exactly but 30% of those with current licences never renewed their licecences and some 10% were involved with open investigations on burglary (caught with fingerprints).

                        Now getting into today, there are far too many companies opening up that have been involved with internal theft through the loading up of trucks and vans as well as backyard operations of selling drugs at dance parties. Anyone associated with a bikie gang, organised crime group or someone who has opened and set up a company only to go bankrupt or has a crime newer than 10 years is going to be subject of a denial.

                        I know one RLPM a colleague of mine who has told me 1/3 of his LP staff are without a licence because they failed to send their applications in by today - due date. I can see it now being a buyers world for premium staff as many people will just leave the industry and go back to driving taxis again.
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                        • #13
                          You're welcome NRM, personally I'm looking forward to taxation reforms across the board but especially for the sub-100K income segment

                          In theory regulation of any industry is a good thing, it helps achieve higher quality employees, work practices & standards... however in practice the Security Industry (in Victoria at least) fees relating to licensing are significantly higher than professions with higher earning capacities ie. nursing, especially when you factor in the certificate upgrades & annual competencies which must be maintained
                          "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NRM_Oz View Post
                            Maelstrom ............ thanks for the post mate - always wondered EXACTLY the taxes the yanks complain about paying - hell of a lot less than me.
                            Well, Maelstrom gave you one tiny bit of the tax picture, so this is hardly a full comparison. Maelstrom's comparison also doesn't provide any information regarding the nature and amounts of deductions and exemptions available, so we're really not comparing apples to apples here at all. Don't be quick to jump to conclusions, because what Maelstrom provided does not tell you how someone in each country starting from $25K GROSS income, single or married, with or without children, etc., would fare, and the percentage-of-gross-income is the only number that counts. Maelstrom is showing you the tax on NET income AFTER exemptions and before deductions.

                            In addition, like you, we pay taxes at all other levels of government as well, along with many types of licenses and fees that are considered taxes because they are levied by governmental agencies. We would need to run all of that down in each country in order to really compare the levels of taxation between the two countries.

                            ...and then there's a whole further issue of hidden taxes. These are business taxes in any particular country that are, in turn, passed along to citizens as a component of the prices they pay in the stores. (Businesses do not pay taxes in any but the most formal sense of filing returns every year. What they do is to factor their own taxes into the prices of their products, and in that sense businesses transfer taxes to the citizen, and then pay this "collected tax" to the government when they file "their own" tax returns.)

                            My bet is that at the end of the day you'd find that we yanks pay every bit as much in taxes as you do as a percentage of gross income.
                            Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-30-2007, 08:59 PM.
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                            • #15
                              We don't really have state or county taxes .............. some state taxes are just in other forms (like in gas prices). We do have rebates for kids and the like and even for a spouse and dependent adult such as a disabled child (I am showing too many signs of a former life here talking about taxes). I tried to follow the IRS System to help a friend out with his deductions and found it very complex and difficult to compare to ours. Basically it was how much did you earn ............ just send it in please.

                              We also have a GST or 10% federal tax on most items. Ironic I can go and buy a pineapple (no gst) and get a canned of pineapple chunks with GST on it (process).

                              Speaking of pineapples, when I was in hawaii - 5 times, the Canucks would send home crates of Dole's finest as gifts and I think a Pineapple in some parts was like up to $20.00 Can. each. Is that still true ?
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