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  • bpdblue
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    Guards who commit crimes should go to JAIL!

    These two are complete idiots. Their vehicle was illegally equipped with the lights and siren. Hell, In California you cannot even have a siren type sound for your car alarm.

    The news report said they were going to be charged with only reckless driving. I think they will be charged with much more than that. I know I would have charged them with more, up to conspiracy to commit a crime. They absolutely should have known that having a vehicle that looks like a police veh, is illegally equipped with emergency lights and a siren, and using that equipment in an attempt to chase a criminal is impersonating a police officer. That veh, even if it was stopped, and unoccupied, violated state law by just being so equipped.

    Additionally, they caused hit and run collisions, with either their vehicle or the suspect veh hitting other cars while in this chase (notice I didn't use the term PURSUIT, that's because they cannot legally be in a pursuit,) and if your wondering how the driver guard could be charged for the hit and runs, you don't have to be in the collision yourself, but if your driving caused someone else to get in a collision, and you leave the scene, yep, your guilty. If it turns out anyone was injured in this chase, the driver might be charged with felony reckless driving. The bad here just goes on and on.

    There is only one possible saving grace here, and it would be for the passenger in the guard car, and only if it was the company employee, not the Boss, as some of you have said one of the two guards were. If the employee was the passenger, he could say he did not know the boss was going to chase the theft suspect, and he had no power to stop the chase. If he agreed to testify against the boss, he might get off.

    But if the employee was the driver, and he is going to use the defense that his boss ordered him to chase the thief, he's dead meat. Now, if the boss is going to say (if he was the passenger) that he ordered the employee to not chase the thief, so he's innocent, I don't think anyone will believe that, and boss goes down too.

    This is one of those types of incidents that PI$$ me off in the worst way. It is bad enough when criminals do the crimes, and almost as bad when average joe citizen screws up, but when you have two people who are SUPPOSE to know better, and one of those people is supposedly TOP MANAGEMENT (which I am considering the term BOSS to mean) and they commit such obvious wrong doings with illegal means (the lights and siren) they have to GO DOWN HARD for their acts.

    Unfortunatly, it may effect all guards in this state in ways that are hard to determine at this point, but these type of incidents have a way of getting the liberal types to want more stringent controls over guards, things like mandating no firearms, or such. We will have to see.

    And don't forget, where California goes (in making restrictive laws) the rest of the country often follows.

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  • Hank1
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    Unfortunately, this stunt will be the buzz for weeks. Any positive things that California S/Os did before this incident took place will be negated and forgotten. It's a shame.

    Be Safe,

    Hank

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  • Guest
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    oh wow...

    First of all, I have to say that this must be the dumbest stunt I have ever seen from security. Second, I used to work with that guy before he got into security. Glad we didn't work together there...

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  • SRT S-1
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    more info

    O ya did I forget to say that the HMA, you know the one who was not even in uniform in the video is the owner of DWB security. Just thought y'all would want to know. That’s kind of why I thank he is going to have a hard time coming out smelling like roses with BSIS.
    Last edited by SRT S-1; 11-27-2007, 10:32 AM.

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  • DarkMetalWolf
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    Wow!

    Can you believe that they actually are the Alarm Response company for Department of Consumer Affairs, Medical Bord. I have spoken to some of the guards many times. All I can say now is.....DWB does that stand for dumb-a$$ wanta bees. For it is rumored that one of the guards involved is the owner of the company

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  • bigdog
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    Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
    Like I always say, if nothing else, know your own state's laws.

    I don't know how good a source this is or if this is a reputable company, but I found it browsing for SO's authority in Cali. Security Training company. Any Cali guys here, clear this stuff up for us.

    I don't remember any similar cases of security chases in my sate, but my state is friendlier toboth private security and to private property rights in general, so i'd guess S/Os doing the same thing wouldn't be in as much trouble (but I could be wrong). Any Texan has the right and duty to "prevent the consequences of theft" and may use force up to deadly force (depending on the situation) to do so.

    BTW, those S/Os (especially the bearded one) are outstanding examples of the need for higher standards in private security...

    EDIT: Tried to go to the security company's website, got this:



    DWB? driving-while-black security ?? LOL..

    The penal code section for private arrest in California is listed below. However some security officers forget you may be able to arrest but are not afforded the immunity and powers public law enforcement have. Such as the authority to initiate a vehicle pursuit etc. Had that been Florida they would've been arrested for impersonating law enforcement, as well as multiple violations of chapter 493 and traffic laws.

    Penal Code Section 837 specifies the conditions under which you, as a private person, may make
    an arrest. “A private person may arrest another.
    1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.
    2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
    3. When a felony has been, in fact, committed and he has reasonable cause for believing
    the person arrested to have committed it.”

    Heres is a link the the powers of arrest training manual for California security
    http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/poa.pdf
    Last edited by bigdog; 11-27-2007, 10:04 AM.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    The website BC linked to does not have the full BSIS Arrest Powers book. It goes on to note that your job can be to arrest, after prevention has failed.

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  • JB diligence
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    Not very smart. What if it got worse and some one was hurt or killed. Not worth 500 bucks worth of scrap, there are other ways. By the way the one was wearing his hat I thought he wa a bad guy at first, unprofessional!!!

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  • ChuckyZ73
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    its people like that that cause everyone to think security is a bunch of police impersonators.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Like I always say, if nothing else, know your own state's laws.

    I don't know how good a source this is or if this is a reputable company, but I found it browsing for SO's authority in Cali. Security Training company. Any Cali guys here, clear this stuff up for us.

    I don't remember any similar cases of security chases in my sate, but my state is friendlier toboth private security and to private property rights in general, so i'd guess S/Os doing the same thing wouldn't be in as much trouble (but I could be wrong). Any Texan has the right and duty to "prevent the consequences of theft" and may use force up to deadly force (depending on the situation) to do so.

    BTW, those S/Os (especially the bearded one) are outstanding examples of the need for higher standards in private security...

    EDIT: Tried to go to the security company's website, got this:

    dwbsecurity.com
    This site is down for maintenance.
    Please check back again soon.
    DWB? driving-while-black security ?? LOL..
    Last edited by Black Caesar; 11-27-2007, 07:32 AM.

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  • SRT S-1
    started a topic security officers playing cop

    security officers playing cop

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    wow what the heck security with sirens conducting vehicle pursuits on county streets. can we say his ppo is gone.

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