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  • ESI AGENT
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    It's a sad fact that as a contract security guard you are a disposible employee. Don't let some know nothing manager/client compramise your safety. Think smart! Just do what your required to do and don't put yourself in a position to be injured or killed. Out job is prevention so be seen and do what is resonalbe. Be Safe.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    Tampa, FL - but also, in Eureka Springs, MO and maybe other places as well. Check out this link to the story.
    i've always belived that if crooks would use half the ingenuity they display in commiting crimes or getting booze and drugs, they'd be rich for real lol.


    There are private paid parking lots surrounding my college (the college itself has no parking) and from time to time homeless folks would pretend to be parking attendants and take money from unknowing people.

    One guy had a reversible pullover sweater. He would stand in the lot with the Red signs wearing the red side of the shirt, then flip the shirt to the blue side, walk across the street with to the lot with the Blue signs, and take more money.

    For a good week we couldn't catch the guy red handed, some people had cars towed off those lots but the lot owners for non-payment which is how we found out about him. We only caught a break because this lady (who was bringing her kids to a Dallas Children's Theater show) ask us "should the parking attendant smell that bad" lol.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Chucky View Post
    ....A long while ago I remember reading about someone taking a large steel box with a slot cut into the front. They then after hours placed it in front of the existing real box with a note that stated "Due to construction our regular box is out of service. Please deposit here" Unbelievably people did just that and were SOL as far as their money was concerned. Can't remember where this happened but some of you might remember.
    Tampa, FL - but also, in Eureka Springs, MO and maybe other places as well. Check out this link to the story.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-23-2007, 08:32 AM.

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  • Maelstrom
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    Can't says I blame you Hank!

    Hey UPF have we got an update on your progress with this site resolution?

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  • Hank1
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    Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
    Hank, do you mean "without a firearm" or is "with a firearm" correct?
    Thank you Andy! Without!

    Be Safe,

    Hank

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  • gonzo1510
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    Didn't we cover this already ?

    Security officers, guard patrols, event security, amber strobe lights and coffee breaks ... it's all here

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  • Maelstrom
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    Originally posted by Chucky View Post
    A long while ago I remember reading about someone taking a large steel box with a slot cut into the front. They then after hours placed it in front of the existing real box with a note that stated "Due to construction our regular box is out of service. Please deposit here" Unbelievably people did just that and were SOL as far as there money was concerned. Can't remember where this happened but some of you might remember.
    Yeah that happened right before I moved to the Bahamas!



    On a serious note...

    UPF could the satellite cash areas' buildings be made more secure? with a majority of the cash transported during business hours, leaving only the last few hours of takings in a safe or secured cash room?

    Alternatively... I've seen some sites make use of large compressed air pipes/tubes to transport their cash etc. in pods (for lack of a better description) directly to the main cash holding area, would something like that be an option? from a logistics point-of-view it's an insurance companies wet dream IMHO
    Last edited by Maelstrom; 11-21-2007, 07:46 PM.

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  • tattedupboy
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    Here's how I would explain it. When was the last time you saw an unarmed armored car guard? When large sums of money are at stake, people are always out to try to get some of it using any means necessary, including guns. An unarmed guard is absolutely no deterrent whatsoever against someone who is hellbent on stealing a large sum of money. So, ask the client if their money is worth enough to them to employ an armed guard.

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  • Chucky
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    You Know if you think about it where is the best place to abscond this money from the company. Surely not at the store of origin. To many lights and alarms and potentially armed citizens. Not on the way to the bank. Could end up in a chase where someone gets hurt. But yes at the bank deposit night deposit box. Many I have seen were by the drive up window near the back of the bank and poorly lit. Most deposit boxes require you to get out to open them with a key. Yet you seldom here of that type of robbery being done.

    A long while ago I remember reading about someone taking a large steel box with a slot cut into the front. They then after hours placed it in front of the existing real box with a note that stated "Due to construction our regular box is out of service. Please deposit here" Unbelievably people did just that and were SOL as far as their money was concerned. Can't remember where this happened but some of you might remember.
    Last edited by Chucky; 11-21-2007, 08:39 PM.

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  • Andy Taylor
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    Hank, do you mean "without a firearm" or is "with a firearm" correct?

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  • Hank1
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    I would never, ever do money escorts with a firearm to defend myself and the person in possession of thr cash. I would suggest that someone pick the money handlers at random and take different routes to deposit the cash. Never take the same route at the same times. Keep the bad guys guessing. I think that this may be your only option IMHO!

    Be Safe,

    Hank
    Last edited by Hank1; 11-21-2007, 03:02 AM. Reason: mis-spelled word

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  • FireEMSPolice
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    Our company is against it. I even offered to provide the equipment and pay for the schooling. No dice.

    We do money escorts but are now letting the staff escort themselves while we watch with the camera. It got to the point where the manpower was short and tied up and the tenants knew what was going on and would advertise stupid things like, "hey can I have some of that money?"

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  • UtahProtectionForce
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    Originally posted by Maelstrom View Post
    I'm curious as to why the account WAS armed but is no longer?

    Personally, I'd be looking at trying to alter the site work practices a little... from reading your posts I'm getting the impression that these 'cash escorts' are taking place at the end of business hours, and the cash is being relocated from the satellite buildings to the most secure cash repository, that sound about right UPF?
    exact


    ... it was last armed in 99/00 im not sure why it went unarmed but some of the staff stated somof the guards were not adequate ti be having weps... since 99/00 its been unarmed the company i work for has had the account since 1996/97. the property which is a city property has only exsisted since 1993
    Last edited by UtahProtectionForce; 11-21-2007, 02:24 AM.

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  • NRM_Oz
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    1 retailer I worked with had some lazy managers who would never do banking on time. Some would dump 4 days worth of cash in 1 hit which did not help the company's bank a/c. This became a cultural thing and I put a stop to it as if there were staff shortages, I would help when I could or have them close the store to do the deposit. I dance party I ran the security for had 3,000 party goers and expecting each to spend $30.00+ on drinks I implimented a prepaid drink card for $20.00 - $50.00 with a 5% bonus and 95% buy back for all unused credit. The promoter had some $60k upfront to pay my fees and team (I was paid 85% upfront due to this) and drink staff were happy not to have that much cash and more around them.

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  • Maelstrom
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    I'm curious as to why the account WAS armed but is no longer?

    Personally, I'd be looking at trying to alter the site work practices a little... from reading your posts I'm getting the impression that these 'cash escorts' are taking place at the end of business hours, and the cash is being relocated from the satellite buildings to the most secure cash repository, that sound about right UPF?

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